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Old 10-26-2008, 11:54 AM
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Re: Redistribution of wealth

I mentioned on here about a book (and also on t-shirts) called "Tax me, I.m Canadian!"
I told Ferd about.

Here is the link.

http://www.taxpayer.com/jCart2/item.php?productId=1
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Old 10-26-2008, 12:17 PM
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Are you being serious?
I should have said "while accepting".
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Old 10-26-2008, 01:05 PM
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Here is the e-mail I got:

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had
participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he
thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is you friend Audrey doing?"

She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus, college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades!
I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!"
The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the Republican Party
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Old 10-26-2008, 01:24 PM
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Here is the e-mail I got:

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had
participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he
thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is you friend Audrey doing?"

She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus, college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades!
I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!"
The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the Republican Party
LOL! Sweet!!!, Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-26-2008, 01:34 PM
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Redistribution of wealth....like the laws requiring gleaning, Jubilee land redistribution, poor tithe, etc.?
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Old 10-26-2008, 01:49 PM
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Redistribution of wealth....like the laws requiring gleaning, Jubilee land redistribution, poor tithe, etc.?
Yes - and not eating shrimp, wearing cotton and linen together, and wearing red.
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I should have said "while accepting".
Wow. So if I'm understanding you right, you're proposing that people who receive welfare or other forms of government aide shouldn't be allowed to vote?
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Old 10-26-2008, 03:46 PM
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Now that's a novel idea!!!!!

Why not have a flat tax? Maybe just a national sales tax, everything is already in place to collect it. That would seem to encourage saving.
The Fair Tax is the best going notion out there. However, the power to tax is the power to control and the power to destroy. I don't expect our power-mad oligarchy (congress, lobbyists, bureaucrats) to just sit idly by and give that power away, much less take direct action to voluntarily lay the power down.

The income tax code is an instrument of social engineering and favors for special interests. You're basically wanting thousands of egocentric and privileged people to simultaneously give up their favorite toy.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

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Perhaps we could have a Constitutional Amendment that states you lose the right to vote if you accept welfare or food stamps or government subsidies. All Congress men and Senators could not vote themselves a raise and would could loose their benefits if they are convicted for committing a crime while in office.
If you think this would fly, in a time when people are so ignorant of founding principle, and easily deluded by appeals to emotion that they believe that global warming is an imminent disaster, and that people can act to stop it, and that the "gay rights" movement acts with similar purpose and moral authority as the civil rights movement, you are mistaken. How are you proposing to take away suffrage from a group that is much more likely to receive MORE suffrage? Perhaps you were TIC. We are more likely to give illegals, visa workers, felons, and lunatics the vote.

What you propose is not grounded in good reason, nor is it constitutional. You would be more constitutional, and perhaps even more offensive, if you suggested that we take away the vote from women, and from people who own less than 40 acres of land, as it originally was.

Our national trend away from fiscal responsibility, and toward bloated social entitlement programs funded by soon-to-be-regretted enormous deficit spending, can be charted quite tidily to show strong corrollation to women voting. It doesn't prove cause and effect, but the corrollation is there.

The 40 acres exclusion is an idea that still retains some merit, as the idea was to guide the nation with voters who had a stake, a vested interest, and the demonstrated ability to manage their own affairs. But even a system such as this is subject to certain abuses.

Robert A. Heinlein proposed that the vote should go only to those who demonstrated willingness to sacrifice everything for their country - the military. He paints a somewhat rosier picture of what such a society would be like, and provides an external common enemy, a hostile alien race, for all of mankind to focus upon, instead of warring internally.

There aren't really any good answers. We are 5 or 10 years away from being a failed state, a banana republic with nukes. We are in decline not because of Republicans, Democrats, wars, deficit spending, irrational consumer spending, progressive tax codes, or anything else from the list of usual suspects. We are in decline because we are, as a whole, morally in decline - nearly morally bankrupt. We have nationally turned our back on God.

All this talk about what would fix things here is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. There is no true solution without a widespread revival of individual dedication to God, and, therefore, morality.
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Old 10-26-2008, 05:22 PM
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Redistribution of wealth....like the laws requiring gleaning, Jubilee land redistribution, poor tithe, etc.?
those were laws for a theocracy.
we don't live in a theocracy.
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