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Old 10-15-2008, 12:06 PM
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Re: What Does Jesse Jackson Know That We Don't?

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You seem to be one sided for Palastine.

Wasn't the land originally Israel's?
It was promised to them. [Abraham]
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:15 PM
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You seem to be one sided for Palastine.

Wasn't the land originally Israel's?
No. The land was and always has been God's. Frankly, it was God himself who evicted them from the land for rejecting the Gospel....
"20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." - Luke 21:20-24
God brought this judgment upon them in AD 70 and evicted them with the Roman invasion. Then the Jewish people were scattered and led away captive into all nations as Jesus prophesied. This eviction is to continue throughout the entire time of the Gentiles. Biblical Israel will not be restored until the bodily return of the Messiah. Jerusalem will continue to be bombed and trodden under foot by the Gentiles until Messiah returns. It's part of God's judgment against them. The UN isn't God...so it had no right to try to lift that judgment and move into trying to rebuild the nation of Israel at the request of non-Christian Zionists. I predict that if Christ tarries....the Jews in modern Israel are in grave danger because God's judgment will stand firm...there may be another Jewish diaspora.

We've stepped between God and the Jews. He issued a judgment against them 2,000 years ago and we're trying to rebuild them.

When Biblical Israel is restored it will be an act of God at the return of the Messiah...not an act of the United Nations.
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:22 PM
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This is might get me in trouble here as I am not ant-semitic,I don't hate Israel or muslims,but radical Zionism and Islam are both scary and threats to Christianity.
My pray for both Jews and Muslims is that they find peace with God and become borned of water and spirit.
Judaism and Islam both deny that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation.
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This is might get me in trouble here as I am not ant-semitic,I don't hate Israel or muslims,but radical Zionism and Islam are both scary and threats to Christianity.
My pray for both Jews and Muslims is that they find peace with God and become borned of water and spirit.
Judaism and Islam both deny that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation.
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LOL

Should I delete it? You're right, odds are they won't be able to move past it and grasp the point made.
Delete that last line and I will delete my post that quoted it...

and the follow up ones as well... LOL
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:44 PM
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I will say this Jesus and John The Baptist taught the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand or it is near,I can't see the Kingdom Of God being delayed I understand it came at Pentecost.
I understand the Kingdom Of Heaven is peace and joy and righteousness in The Holy Ghost.
Nor do I see the scriptures saying God stopped His clock at calvary.
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Antipas, you are cherry picking your facts here. The partition didn't run "Palestinians" out of the Israeli side. First of all, the term "Palestinian" is relatively new. At the time in 1948 there was no state in what is now Israel and Gaza and the West Bank. NO STATE. going back to just after WW1 the League of Nations indicated that there should be a move towards the creation of 2 states in the area. the Partition was simply a follow thru of that much older plan.

It should also be noted that no Arab who lived in the Israeli side of the Partition had their land confiscated. and ALL were offered the right to stay and be part of the state of Israel. Some did stay and their families are still part of Israel to this day.

Some didn't and these joined with the 5 Arab states that attacked Israel in 1948. Israel won that war, and tried to force these Arabs that fought against them back to Jordan. Jordan would not have them back (many had immigrated from Jordan with the promise of land). Jordan wanted them to stay in refugee camps in the West Bank and Gaza because it gave them (Jordan) claim to the land.

That is also part of this story that isn't being told here.

Israel was perfectly fine with a two stated solution at the time and many Arabs in the Israel side were fine with it too. However some were not and the Arab states around them were not. It had very little to do with a store keeper wanting to keep his store and being run off by Jews.

I don't like having to put this one side out by itself. Anyone who knows anything about this history understands that there have been wrongs committed by both sides. Everyone ought to be able to agree that the sources of the violence are many and varied and trying to boil such a complex problem down to one simple thing. "Palestinians" want their land back". Is simply not accurate. Not because that isn't part of the equation but because it is only part of a larger and much more complex picture.
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I will agree that there is wrongs on both sides of the fence as some radical jews kill Arabs and vice versa ,hate is wrong.All people need Jesus.
I'm agains't hating people and I think the Holocaust was one of the most radical and terrible crimes agains't humanity ever to be committed.
The only peace that any of these people can find is in Jesus Christ.
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UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-1992

1. Resolution 106: "...‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid"
2. Resolution 111: "...‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
3. Resolution 127: "...‘recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem"
4. Resolution 162: "...‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions"
5. Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria"
6. Resolution 228: "...‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
7. Resolution 237: "...‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
8. Resolution 248: "...‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
9. Resolution 250: "...‘calls’ on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
10. Resolution 251: "...‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
11. Resolution 252: "...‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
12. Resolution 256: "...‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation"
13. Resolution 259: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
14. Resolution 262: "...‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
15. Resolution 265: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
16. Resolution 267: "...‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
17. Resolution 270: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
18. Resolution 271: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
19. Resolution 279: "...‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
20. Resolution 280: "....‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon"
21. Resolution 285: "...‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
22. Resolution 298: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem"
23. Resolution 313: "...‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
24. Resolution 316: "...‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
25. Resolution 317: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
26. Resolution 332: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon"
27. Resolution 337: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty"
28. Resolution 347: "...‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
29. Resolution 425: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
30. Resolution 427: "...‘calls’ on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
31. Resolution 444: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
32. Resolution 446: "...‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ‘serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
33. Resolution 450: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
34. Resolution 452: "...‘calls’ on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
35. Resolution 465: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program"
36. Resolution 467: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon"
37. Resolution 468: "...‘calls’ on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
38. Resolution 469: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians"
39. Resolution 471: "...‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
40. Resolution 476: "...‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claims to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’
41. Resolution 478: "...‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’
42. Resolution 484: "...‘declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
43. Resolution 487: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility"
44. Resolution 497: "...‘decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
45. Resolution 498: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
46. Resolution 501: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
47. Resolution 509: "...‘demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
48. Resolution 515: "...‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
49. Resolution 517: "...‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
50. Resolution 518: "...‘demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
51. Resolution 520: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut"
52. Resolution 573: "...‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
53. Resolution 587: "...‘takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
54. Resolution 592: "...‘strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
55. Resolution 605: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
56. Resolution 607: "...‘calls’ on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
57. Resolution 608: "...‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
58. Resolution 636: "...‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
59. Resolution 641: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
60. Resolution 672: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
61. Resolution 673: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
62. Resolution 681: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
63. Resolution 694: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
64. Resolution 726: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
65. Resolution 799: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.
Do you have a list for the Palestinians too?
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UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-1992

1. Resolution 106: "...‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid"
2. Resolution 111: "...‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
3. Resolution 127: "...‘recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem"
4. Resolution 162: "...‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions"
5. Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria"
6. Resolution 228: "...‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
7. Resolution 237: "...‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
8. Resolution 248: "...‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
9. Resolution 250: "...‘calls’ on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
10. Resolution 251: "...‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
60. Resolution 672: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
61. Resolution 673: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
62. Resolution 681: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
63. Resolution 694: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
64. Resolution 726: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
65. Resolution 799: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.
Digging, that list is impressive I suppose.....


But once again it is only part of a much larger picture. MANY of these sanctions by the UN were started by Arab nations pushing an anit-Israel agenda and if you dig into the action behind the sanction, you will find a perfectly defensable action.
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