The Trouble With Patience

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Ferd

On the subject of educatioin, I think there is a big difference between some of the great men that we have who have no formal education and young men graduating from highschool and thinking they dont need an education to preach.

honestly there is no excuse for an 18 year old kid to aviod a good education. even mechanics have to get some schooling...

Of course. Nobody's against education but what exactly do you mean by "education". Bible College Graduate? PhD? Masters? Bachelors?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I agree!

Some of the best preachers and pastors on the planet today and that I grew up under never had much education. What they did have was the anointing and call of God on them, a knowledge of the Word of God and a love for people. It stood them and the people they pastored in good stead.

In no way have any of my posts been meant to slam those who have not graduated from college. One of my greatest regrets is that I didn't spend my money on an accredited degree. I would have been better served to receive a business degree rather than a theology degree. I consider myself woefully under-educated.

I think there is no excuse today. A young man can find affordable education if he wants to. Twenty, thirty years ago, this wasn't the norm.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Of course. Nobody's against education but what exactly do you mean by "education". Bible College Graduate? PhD? Masters? Bachelors?

something. anything other than, "I gots me a bible give me a pulpit"

(we see this from time to time in the piney woods)

[Nahum]

Most of the early-American universities were built on the premise that a minister must be able to converse skillfully. We have men who have never heard of homiletics, hermenuetics, or basic bible study methods that are trying to reach a population of extremely educated young people.

Do the math, it's not going to work.

[Ferd]

I dont want people to assume that i disparrage those who dont have a degree either. Look, some of the greatest men I ever knew didnt have any more education than highschool, and some not that much.


but we live in a different time now where education is much more available.... on many levels.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

And perhaps they should have more than the local Pastors endorsment. Maybe 3 to 6 references other than Pastor. Two others from the local church, two from outside of church jobs, two from other district sources.

And maybe even a good background check.

I like this. Sign it into law.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

In no way have any of my posts been meant to slam those who have not graduated from college. One of my greatest regrets is that I didn't spend my money on an accredited degree. I would have been better served to receive a business degree rather than a theology degree. I consider myself woefully under-educated.

I think there is no excuse today. A young man can find affordable education if he wants to. Twenty, thirty years ago, this wasn't the norm.

I understand what you all are saying. I'm not against education either. I'm just saying that it's no substitute for calling, anointing, and a love for lost humanity and people in general.

I know that you aren't saying anything different. I guess I just put the emphasis on anointing, calling and sacrificial love before education. I wish I had more education too, but I do think that we need to keep the emphasis in the right place and on the right things.

I don't see really where education makes much difference in pulpit ministry. As long as a man (or woman) can read and study they can be as educated as they need to be in regard to what they're preaching and the crowd they're ministering to.

What REALLY matters to the saint in the pew?

I mean I know men who are college educated who take scripture out of context and aren't really great preachers either.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Most of the early-American universities were built on the premise that a minister must be able to converse skillfully. We have men who have never heard of homiletics, hermenuetics, or basic bible study methods that are trying to reach a population of extremely educated young people.

Do the math, it's not going to work.

I wonder what we would turn up if we took a look at the methods used by the most successful denominations?

I think the UPCI has done a good job of spreading the Gospel but I think we can do more/better. looking at methodology is important.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I wonder what we would turn up if we took a look at the methods used by the most successful denominations?

I think the UPCI has done a good job of spreading the Gospel but I think we can do more/better. looking at methodology is important.

WWJD?

What would Joel do?

(Joel Osteen) LOL!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Of course. Nobody's against education but what exactly do you mean by "education". Bible College Graduate? PhD? Masters? Bachelors?

Hopefully rrford's not listening when I say this. shhhhhhhhhh!

I think we need not encourage our brightest to attend unacredited "colleges".

Pray for me church, PRAY!