Has Jon Suber embraced the One Step Doctrine?

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

MOving 2000 miles to get fed tells me they are very picky eaters and will not be satisfied with the meals served where they move. The probelm is the eater I say not the meal. 2,000 miles??????????????????????

Brother, I have my reasons for being picky. A person in need of a specialist does not settle for the nearest general practitioner. I won't deny that the problem lies with me, not the churches where I was. I know there are good churches there that feed their congregations well. But I also know that I need to be where I am.

I've been through (and am still going through) the most devastating experience of my life since I've moved here. I know that I am here *because* of what was going to happen, this didn't happen because I moved. I looked my pastor's wife in the eye the other day and told her that if I had known everything, I would still have moved. I won't be leaving this church, this is my family, the first family I've ever truly had, and this is home.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

Actually the truth of the matter was I brought this up to JS 4 weeks ago while fellowshipping with he and Steph in our hotel room while there preaching for him...

His exact words were, "I didn't know that site was still public. That whole website was just a trial run put together by a guy just showing me what he could do. We are not even going to use that domain name. I didn't know he went public with it for more than just a week."

To that I responded, "You really should get that guy to pull the site."

To that he responded, "I will, but we don't advertise that site anyway...when we get our real site we will obviously need to link that domain name to our real one."

This is clearly why you don't see anything on the calender of events on the site, why rock church is on the video page, and why there has been NO UPDATE to this site in 6 months....if you don't believe me just look at the "pastor's blog" link under the "pastoral leadership" link.

So did he agree with the statement of faith posted or disavow it?

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Jonathan Suber is not UPCI, is he? I'm confused.

He, like many others has joined the AWCF. He went a bit further than others since he is a actual member and not just a affiliate who networks with it. In the AWCF 95% of the folks use it as a chamber of commerce type thing for meetings where they can exchange business cards and stay in their own fellowship. Some go the extra step and actually ask for a licensing card.. but those are few and usually the true independendents who just want something bigger than themselves to not seem too lonely.

I met a ton of folks at the Bridge conference at Church of Champions here in Houston and heard the recent conference a few weeks ago here in Texas was a good networking opportunity for ministers (I introduced Bro. Bobby Stewart into the AWCF several years ago when I introduced him to Bishop Smith <I grew up with Bro. Stewart in the same church before his church became a daughter work> and Suber is the evangelism coordinator for the AWCF and that church that hosted it there is a affiliate aong with their apostolic fellowship). Its like a roll call of major churches that went independent, you hear alot of names of good men that just want friendship without the political bloodsport.

And when it comes to overseas connections the AWCF is like a monster, its huge... if you want to go international in your ministry forget UPC FMD.. its all about the AWCF conference in Evansville, you meet everyone and anyone whos Apostolic and get booked solid until the 7th seal (if you can afford your own airfare).

www.AWCF.org

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by erikwebster

He, like many others has joined the AWCF. He went a bit further than others since he is a actual member and not just a affiliate who networks with it. In the AWCF 95% of the folks use it as a chamber of commerce type thing for meetings where they can exchange business cards and stay in their own fellowship. Some go the extra step and actually ask for a licensing card.. but those are few and usually the true independendents who just want something bigger than themselves to not seem too lonely.

I met a ton of folks at the Bridge conference at Church of Champions here in Houston and heard the recent conference a few weeks ago here in Texas was a good networking opportunity for ministers (I introduced Bro. Bobby Stewart into the AWCF several years ago when I introduced him to Bishop Smith <I grew up with Bro. Stewart in the same church before his church became a daughter work> and Suber is the evangelism coordinator for the AWCF and that church that hosted it there is a affiliate aong with their apostolic fellowship). Its like a roll call of major churches that went independent, you hear alot of names of good men that just want friendship without the political bloodsport.

And when it comes to overseas connections the AWCF is like a monster, its huge... if you want to go international in your ministry forget UPC FMD.. its all about the AWCF conference in Evansville, you meet everyone and anyone whos Apostolic and get booked solid until the 7th seal (if you can afford your own airfare).

www.AWCF.org

Bishop Samuel Smith - I think this is the same guy that used to pastor in Stewartsville, Indiana when I was just a little kid. We lived in southern Illinois but we were in an Indiana UPC section because there weren't enough UPC churches close to us in Illinois. Later we were put in an Illinois section. Anyway, I hadn't seen his picture or heard of him in years!!

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Bishop Samuel Smith - I think this is the same guy that used to pastor in Stewartsville, Indiana when I was just a little kid. We lived in southern Illinois but we were in an Indiana UPC section because there weren't enough UPC churches close to us in Illinois. Later we were put in an Illinois section. Anyway, I hadn't seen his picture or heard of him in years!!

He had pastored in Evansvile, IN for years and years, then just recently turned his church over to his son Luke Smith. Luke is a dorm buddy of mine from IBC and we every few weeks and see each other at the events.

He most likely is the same person, he was UPC for a long time.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by CC1

So did he agree with the statement of faith posted or disavow it?

We didn't discuss the statement of faith so anything I would say on that would be conjecture on my part as far as the actual wording in that statment is concerned.

If anyone is really "concerned" about where he stands...the church office number is not unlisted...perhaps you can all give him a call and ask him personally instead of asking a bunch of people on here that have not talked with him about it and most likely don't even know him...

Besides, if he in fact has changed his view...he's a grown dang man and has that right.

Has anyone gone to the website and looked at the "pastor's blog"? If you will, it will explain many things concerning this particular web address....

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Bishop Samuel Smith - I think this is the same guy that used to pastor in Stewartsville, Indiana when I was just a little kid. We lived in southern Illinois but we were in an Indiana UPC section because there weren't enough UPC churches close to us in Illinois. Later we were put in an Illinois section. Anyway, I hadn't seen his picture or heard of him in years!!

The same.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

Has anyone gone to the website and looked at the "pastor's blog"? If you will, it will explain many things concerning this particular web address....

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

Well....the pastor's blog on that website only has ONE WORD--BLAH!!!! And folks are up in the air about the statement of faith and the Rock Church videos!! ROTFL!!!

One more time....if you will visit the pastor's blog on the website you will see that this website was used as an example of what a particular person could do for Faith Tab....and not meant to be an official anything!

PLEASE GO to the "pastor's blog" on the website and post your opinions about the statements made there by Jonathan Suber!

[GraceAmazing]

Originally Posted by erikwebster

He had pastored in Evansvile, IN for years and years, then just recently turned his church over to his son Luke Smith. Luke is a dorm buddy of mine from IBC and we every few weeks and see each other at the events.

He most likely is the same person, he was UPC for a long time.

You attended IBC? Um, so did I...I don't remember Luke Smith. I really enjoyed the Evansville conference. This was my first year to go and I thoroughly enjoyed myself!