The Man Is the Priest of the Home? - Page 8

MissBrattified · #71 07-13-2008, 04:07 PM

Let me just say, that this thread is making me miss my father! I would have loved to discuss this with him.

*sniff* (I know, that was random.)

I'm going to go do laundry now--ya'll have fun.

Steve Epley · #72 07-13-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Hey....I intercede for my pastor and his family....does that make me their priest?

YOU are a priest His blood has made us kings and priests. The weakest saint is a priest they have personal assess to the Throne.

pelathais · #73 07-13-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I'm curious about this...my [relative] relayed to me that he feels a man is the priest of the home, to the point of standing between a woman and her relationship with God. (As a mediator? Or just in the "line" of authority? I'm not sure which way he meant it)

My question is: I've heard this before, but is there a particular scripture that supports this line of thought in any way, even out of context? I certainly couldn't find any exact quotes.

Is that why the man always has to carve up the bird on Thanksgiving? That little sawz-all is a scary implement. I'd rather just stand back and sprinkle holy water like the Pope.

Praxeas · #74 07-13-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

YOU are a priest His blood has made us kings and priests. The weakest saint is a priest they have personal assess to the Throne.

Amen. This is what I tell everyone all the time.

To be honest. I recognize there are those that are called to preach etc etc, but I sometimes think it a disservice to call them "the ministry" which leaves everyone else out of "ministry". We are all called to the Ministry, just not the same particular offices or callings, but we are all priests and as preists we are all called to serve Him

#75 07-13-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

No, I'm enjoying the conversation so far, I just had to get that off my chest.

I think we're in agreement that men are to be the head of the home, and that doesn't just mean the husband says "jump" and the wife says "how high?" A man has a huge responsibility to his household, both practically and spiritually speaking.

I also understand that prayers can be hindered if something is out of kilter in the home. I agree with that point, generally speaking. I'm not sure I would take it as far as you seem to, but I do agree that the relationship in the home affects the relationship with God.

Okay, here is another thought: What if a wife holds a conviction her husband doesn't? For example, what if a woman believes her hair should remain uncut, but her husband wants it cut. The woman leaves her hair uncut, because it is a conviction she holds out of her relationship with God, but the uncut hair is supposed to be a symbol of her submission to her husband. (re: your post earlier this thread)

So, does the woman prefer her husband, or God in this matter, and if she prefers her conviction (which is between her and God), is that not example of how her relationship is at least somewhat autonomous?

Sister, let me say this..... I am commanded to Obey the laws of the Land... as long as they do not oppose the laws of God... since the beginning God set an ordinance through nature that women should not cut their hair..... and therefore this supersedes any earthly authority... please bear in mind.... you should not be unequally yolked with a marriage partner... the scenario you mention above would only happen if you have disobeyed scripture and married a man who is not a believer.....

#76 07-13-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

True. I have pastored thus attempted to lead a congregation in spiritual matters but I was NEVER their priest.

So, you were not their spiritual head... if not then you had no spiritual authority over them.... now maybe we're opening another can or worms

I love how Paul was not a High Priest either and yet he tells the church that HE MUST PRESENT THEM TO CHRIST as a chaste virgin

Steve Epley · #77 07-13-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Amen. This is what I tell everyone all the time.

To be honest. I recognize there are those that are called to preach etc etc, but I sometimes think it a disservice to call them "the ministry" which leaves everyone else out of "ministry". We are all called to the Ministry, just not the same particular offices or callings, but we are all priests and as preists we are all called to serve Him

Part of the job of the 5-fold minestry is to equipt the saints 'for the ministry of the saints.' saints have a ministry. They minister in prayer for the saints and unto God through worship and love to the unsaved and encouragment to other saints.

#78 07-13-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Amen. This is what I tell everyone all the time.

To be honest. I recognize there are those that are called to preach etc etc, but I sometimes think it a disservice to call them "the ministry" which leaves everyone else out of "ministry". We are all called to the Ministry, just not the same particular offices or callings, but we are all priests and as preists we are all called to serve Him

Take it up with Jesus.. it was the last gift he gave to his precious church... 5 offices filled by men to mature the church... to perfect the church, to rebuke the church, to exhort the church, to correct the church.. and they are in the FIVE FOLD MINISTRY....... and this does not include every believer.....

Steve Epley · #79 07-13-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

So, you were not their spiritual head... if not then you had no spiritual authority over them.... now maybe we're opening another can or worms

I love how Paul was not a High Priest either and yet he tells the church that HE MUST PRESENT THEM TO CHRIST as a chaste virgin

I did NOT say that. The husband has authority in the home God-given authority in boundaries. The pastor has God-given authority in boundaries. Being a spiritual leader and being a priest is not the same.
Example we confess to our priest the saints don't confess to me.

Steve Epley · #80 07-13-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Take it up with Jesus.. it was the last gift he gave to his precious church... 5 offices filled by men to mature the church... to perfect the church, to rebuke the church, to exhort the church, to correct the church.. and they are in the FIVE FOLD MINISTRY....... and this does not include every believer.....

You are correct all believers are not part of the 5-fold ministry. God placed the ministry in leadship however the ministry is the priesthood. Believers are the priesthood.