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Nahum · #71 07-08-2008, 05:33 PM

I can't believe you are saying this is harmless Mark!

This is an insidious doctrine.

StMark · #72 07-08-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyk

No, both contain venom. One is physical and mental, the other is mental. Both dangerous.

It's a CHOICE.
I think it's a little nutty but one is harmless one is not

MissBrattified · #73 07-08-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

You're only saying that because you were quoted. LOL!

StMark · #74 07-08-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I can't believe you are saying this is harmless Mark!

This is an insidious doctrine.

Is it hurting you? Is it hurting me ?
Can it hurt either of us or anyone for that matter?

It's a Choice

Nahum · #75 07-08-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

She taught the OK District Ladies' Conference in 2000 or 2001, and taught on jewelry, make-up, clothing and hair. At the time, my mother had already bought her book, but I chose not to.

I think what bothers me the most about it, Bro. Epley, is that a woman's spirituality as a whole is being equated with one significant item--whether or not she cuts her hair. (Not whether or not it is long in length) I understand that you believe it is wrong to even cut it, and I'm not contradicting you. However, I think you would probably agree that your wife is not summed up with her HAIR.

Christian women tend to their husbands, homes, children and churches. They are focused on good works and being of a good reputation. Proverbs 31 comes to mind, along with Titus and Timothy. I Corinthians is more significant in regard to an admonition regarding authority, than it is about spirituality, IMO.

When you have entire conferences teaching on outward, but no one is admonishing young women to be good wives, to stay home and care for their children, to pray every day, to study God's Word, to be charitable, to do good works--SOMETHING is way out of balance.

Furthermore, I get a little angry at a doctrine that is veiled feminism, pun intended. My husband has just as much access to the glory of God, anointing, spirituality, miracles and mighty works as I do. In fact, I seem to recall more of these things taking place at the hands of men than women, according to NT accounts.

I know Baptist women who comprise more NT Christianity than many Apostolic women with uncut hair, and THAT is a sad fact.

Please see my thread on Apostolic feminism.

That is exactly what this doctrine is about.

It turns God's order for the family upside down because SUPPOSEDLY women have access to supernatural power that men do not.

Steve Epley · #76 07-08-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

LOL! good cooking?

that ought to get both of us in trouble!

Now that is a book a woman could write.

Nahum · #77 07-08-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I can't believe you are saying this is harmless Mark!

This is an insidious doctrine.

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Originally Posted by StMark

Is it hurting you? Is it hurting me ?
Can it hurt either of us or anyone for that matter?

It's a Choice

It embarrasses me.

And it has the potential to hurt my family, my ministry and my church.

It's a guilt by association thing

Steve Epley · #78 07-08-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

She taught the OK District Ladies' Conference in 2000 or 2001, and taught on jewelry, make-up, clothing and hair. At the time, my mother had already bought her book, but I chose not to.

I think what bothers me the most about it, Bro. Epley, is that a woman's spirituality as a whole is being equated with one significant item--whether or not she cuts her hair. (Not whether or not it is long in length) I understand that you believe it is wrong to even cut it, and I'm not contradicting you. However, I think you would probably agree that your wife is not summed up with her HAIR.

Christian women tend to their husbands, homes, children and churches. They are focused on good works and being of a good reputation. Proverbs 31 comes to mind, along with Titus and Timothy. I Corinthians is more significant in regard to an admonition regarding authority, than it is about spirituality, IMO.

When you have entire conferences teaching on outward, but no one is admonishing young women to be good wives, to stay home and care for their children, to pray every day, to study God's Word, to be charitable, to do good works--SOMETHING is way out of balance.

Furthermore, I get a little angry at a doctrine that is veiled feminism, pun intended. My husband has just as much access to the glory of God, anointing, spirituality, miracles and mighty works as I do. In fact, I seem to recall more of these things taking place at the hands of men than women, according to NT accounts.

I know Baptist women who comprise more NT Christianity than many Apostolic women with uncut hair, and THAT is a sad fact.

The is NO such thing as a Baptist NT Christian. That is pure fiction.

MissBrattified · #79 07-08-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark

Is it hurting you? Is it hurting me ?
Can it hurt either of us or anyone for that matter?

It's a Choice

Yes, it's hurting you. You can't be spiritual or protected unless you get married to a woman who doesn't cut her hair, and preferably one who has never cut her hair. Otherwise, too bad, your ministry is just not what it could be, and if a problem comes up, you don't have a wife to help you solve the problem.

Jack Shephard · #80 07-08-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

She taught the OK District Ladies' Conference in 2000 or 2001, and taught on jewelry, make-up, clothing and hair. At the time, my mother had already bought her book, but I chose not to.

I think what bothers me the most about it, Bro. Epley, is that a woman's spirituality as a whole is being equated with one significant item--whether or not she cuts her hair. (Not whether or not it is long in length) I understand that you believe it is wrong to even cut it, and I'm not contradicting you. However, I think you would probably agree that your wife is not summed up with her HAIR.

Christian women tend to their husbands, homes, children and churches. They are focused on good works and being of a good reputation. Proverbs 31 comes to mind, along with Titus and Timothy. I Corinthians is more significant in regard to an admonition regarding authority, than it is about spirituality, IMO.

When you have entire conferences teaching on outward, but no one is admonishing young women to be good wives, to stay home and care for their children, to pray every day, to study God's Word, to be charitable, to do good works--SOMETHING is way out of balance.

Furthermore, I get a little angry at a doctrine that is veiled feminism, pun intended. My husband has just as much access to the glory of God, anointing, spirituality, miracles and mighty works as I do. In fact, I seem to recall more of these things taking place at the hands of men than women, according to NT accounts.

I know Baptist women who comprise more NT Christianity than many Apostolic women with uncut hair, and THAT is a sad fact.

I sooooooooooooo agree with this. I hit on this topic in the Sunday school teaching sex ed thread today. If this church, with all the anointing and wise people we have in it, could harness their mouths from talking so much about outward trappings like hair and dress and deal with these real issues there would be less failed marriages in this movement. I am of the opinion it don't matter how much 'power with the angels' a women has if they are not the wife and the mother they are suppose to be. Now let me hit the men. Men can prophesy to the world from a grand stage, but if they don't pull their part they are as bad as rank sinner, in my book. MINISTRY first starts at home you know.

You have made a GREAT point here MissB!