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Old 07-07-2008, 06:36 PM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved

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That's why I quoted that we should all work out our own salvation with God....


Jesus said we are not defiled by what goes into the body and Paul said we can defile the temple, our bodies. How do we harmonize these two statements?
Good question. I think the difference lies in the reason why Jesus said what he was saying. Remember, context is everything.
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Old 07-07-2008, 06:53 PM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved

Hold your breath. Go ahead, try it for 30 seconds. Feel that dizziness? Feel the pressure in your head? Burning in the lungs? Blood vessels constricting? Nerves tingling? Light headed? Felling a little panicky?














Okay.. you can breathe. You have just experienced withdrawal symtoms from the most addictive substance known to man.














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Old 07-07-2008, 06:54 PM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved

I do not look as this physical body as a holding cell or a physical building "temple" of the Holy Ghost… as in a container that holds something.

I feel it is referencing a more spiritual governing than physical building.... going to attempt to explain what I see it as. Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

Dwell is used often as
katoikevw - to dwell, settle
a. metaph. divine powers, influences, etc., are said to dwell in his soul, to pervade, prompt, govern it
to dwell in, inhabit
b. God is said to dwell in the temple, i.e. to be always present for worshippers

1 Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

“Dwell in” here is Enoikeo to dwell in metaph. to dwell in one and influence him (for good)

We are governed or influenced by the Holy Ghost… the Spirit is present in our words, actions, deeds… it over takes the old….makes us new through changes in our behavior by influence. The Holy Ghost shouldn’t be viewed as a magic potion that “poofs” fills this physical body up and we “hold” him within us like a container and because we are “filled” we are automatically good... or produce good things. It takes action on our part... We submit to him, he takes control. I believe the initial evidence of that control is speaking in tongues…. the continued evidence is by what is revealed in our actions or “Fruit of the Spirit”

As we submit our will to him and his ways, the more we reflect Jesus Christ. We submit ourselves through prayer and applying the Word, walking in fellowship with him.

Good lord.... I said all of that to say this about smoking...

I do believe that a believer could struggle with smoking…and still be striving. Depending upon the growth level of their walk with God. I am not sure how long that could take place until which it would become an issue of not allowing the Holy Ghost to take control of their habit...resulting in death.

We are told "lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us," Heb 12:1 (I take this to mean we will deal as believers with sin....it is up to us to lay it aside)

Just as with gluttony (that is far more than food) and other sins of the flesh… The sins will be revealed to you by the Spirit... it is up to us to submit those things… to offer our bodies as instruments of righteousness. The result of not submitting as with any sin is spiritual death.

Romans 6:13 Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. 14For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. 5 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. 18You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved

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Hold your breath. Go ahead, try it for 30 seconds. Feel that dizziness? Feel the pressure in your head? Burning in the lungs? Blood vessels constricting? Nerves tingling? Light headed? Felling a little panicky?














Okay.. you can breathe. You have just experienced withdrawal symtoms from the most addictive substance known to man.














Oxygen
What are you saying? Breathing is now a sin? LEGALIST!!!
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Old 07-07-2008, 08:39 PM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved

This is how Spurgeon felt about smoking:

While Mr. Spurgeon was living at Nightingale Lane, Clapham, an excursion was one day organised by one of the young men's classes at the Tabernacle. The brake with the excursionists was to call for the President on their way to mid-Surrey.
It was a beautiful early morning, and the men arrived in high spirits, pipes and cigars alight, and looking forward to a day of unrestrained enjoyment. Mr. Spurgeon was ready waiting at the gate. He jumped up to the box-seat reserved for him, and looking round with an expression of astonishment, exclaimed: "What, gentlemen! Are you not ashamed to be smoking so early?"
Here was a damper! Dismay was on every face. Pipes and cigars one by one failed and dropped out of sight.
When all had disappeared, out came the President's cigar-case. He lit up and smoked away serenely.
The men looked at him astonished. "I thought you said you objected to smoking, Mr. Spurgeon?" one ventured.
"Oh no, I did not say I objected. I asked if they were not ashamed, and it appears they were, for they have all put their pipes away."
Amid laughter the pipes reappeared, and with puffs of smoke the party went on merrily.
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Old 07-07-2008, 08:40 PM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved

If a smoker can still be addicted to smoking and be saved, so then can the crack head. However, I think that if I am honest, I don't look at crack heads and fag smokers in the same light.

There are other addictions too: sex is very addictive.

So I have three addicts in front of me: the smoker, the crack head, and the nympho. Can they all be saved and addicted still? Can a saved person become addicted and still be saved?
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Old 07-07-2008, 08:43 PM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved

Most people who smoke a pipe don't even inhale it. I know I never did. Not on purpose anyway. I did inhale pipe smoke accidentally once, though. I bet I turned about 18 shades of green when it happened too! I still have all my pipes, but I haven't burned a bowl in a good long while. Maybe I will burn one in honor of this thread.
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Old 07-07-2008, 09:01 PM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved

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This is how Spurgeon felt about smoking:

While Mr. Spurgeon was living at Nightingale Lane, Clapham, an excursion was one day organised by one of the young men's classes at the Tabernacle. The brake with the excursionists was to call for the President on their way to mid-Surrey.
It was a beautiful early morning, and the men arrived in high spirits, pipes and cigars alight, and looking forward to a day of unrestrained enjoyment. Mr. Spurgeon was ready waiting at the gate. He jumped up to the box-seat reserved for him, and looking round with an expression of astonishment, exclaimed: "What, gentlemen! Are you not ashamed to be smoking so early?"
Here was a damper! Dismay was on every face. Pipes and cigars one by one failed and dropped out of sight.
When all had disappeared, out came the President's cigar-case. He lit up and smoked away serenely.
The men looked at him astonished. "I thought you said you objected to smoking, Mr. Spurgeon?" one ventured.
"Oh no, I did not say I objected. I asked if they were not ashamed, and it appears they were, for they have all put their pipes away."
Amid laughter the pipes reappeared, and with puffs of smoke the party went on merrily.
Another story about Spurgeon:
Someone got on him about his smoking. His response was that he would quit it if it became a problem. When asked how he would know it had become a problem, Spurgeon replied, "When I find myself smoking more than one cigar at a time."
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Old 07-07-2008, 09:06 PM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved

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Most people who smoke a pipe don't even inhale it. I know I never did. Not on purpose anyway. I did inhale pipe smoke accidentally once, though. I bet I turned about 18 shades of green when it happened too! I still have all my pipes, but I haven't burned a bowl in a good long while. Maybe I will burn one in honor of this thread.
Why in the world would you keep all those pipes? Just curious. If it's something you felt to give up, why keep the pipes around?
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Old 07-07-2008, 10:36 PM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved

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Is there McDonald's?
The bible says that I can eat McDonalds hamburgers as long as I thank God for the food.

1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:



So your argument is invalid.

Smoking is taking into the body something that you know to destroy the body.

Smoking can and usually leads to a bondage of addiction. The cigarette becomes your master.

The financial cost of smoking is enough to keep the wise man from taking up the habit, or quiting if he started in the past.

Those that smoke put themselves at a greater risk of emphysema, lung cancer,and heart attacks.

Even unsaved people recognize cigarette smoking is destructive and a "sin" to the human body. Let not your good be evil spoken of. Abstain from the appearance of evil.
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