I read through most of this thread and I have to admit I don’t understand you stand.
Questions:
1. Are you asserting Christ died for our past, present, and future sins, repented and unrepented?
2. Once saved always saved?
3. You honestly believe A & S are saved? Will be in Heaven?
4. Are you asserting that after one obey Acts 2:38 we are free to do whatever we want and still make it into the Kingdom, into Heaven, still have salvation? We don’t have to strive, to continue steadfastly in the Apostles‘ Doctrine? We can lie, steal, cheat, kill, indulge in the lust of the flesh, the pride of life, and every other filthy sin the Devil is going to tempt us with?
If A & S, after lying and trying to cheat the Holy Ghost, is still saved and on their way to the kingdom of Heaven, then God did them a GREAT deliverance for it will ALWAYS be better to die and go to Heaven then toil in this life.
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I Believe in the Whole Truth, Complete Truth, and All Truth. Gospel, Doctrine, and Teaching without an err. And all TRUE members of the body of Christ, be not divided but speaking the same thing in and about Christ.
1 Cor. 1:10 (kjv)
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye ALL speak the SAME thing, and that there be no DIVISIONS among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
I’m asking this because years ago I had a discussion with a boy in the Baptist church that believed that God died for past, present, and future sins, once saved always saved and that if you sin too much, (as with Ananias and Sapphira ) God will kill you and take you to Heaven.
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I Believe in the Whole Truth, Complete Truth, and All Truth. Gospel, Doctrine, and Teaching without an err. And all TRUE members of the body of Christ, be not divided but speaking the same thing in and about Christ.
1 Cor. 1:10 (kjv)
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye ALL speak the SAME thing, and that there be no DIVISIONS among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
I’m asking this because years ago I had a discussion with a boy in the Baptist church that believed that God died for past, present, and future sins, once saved always saved and that if you sin too much, (as with Ananias and Sapphira ) God will kill you and take you to Heaven.
If Jesus didn’t die for past, present and future sins, then all Old Testament folks will never heaven. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob’s sins were only covered with the blood of animal, whereas the blood of Jesus washes away their sins. If the promise of the Messiah was not fulfilled they would be lost, the same as us.
".....then all Old Testament folks will never see heaven"
For some reason I'm not able to edit or correct mistakes in my posts? Anyone know why?
Funny I had the same thing with trying to edit my post.
Sorry I don't believe I got my thought out clearly about past present and future sins. I know the blood covers past, present, and future sins, but I was speaking of how it applys to us as an individual.
Something like say someone got the new birth or saved last year. Does that covers the sins he did afterwards, did or doing at present, and any future sins the one commits even if not repenting or unrepentive of them? Once saved, always saved, no matter what.
I hope that explains it moreso of what I meant by past, present, and future.
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I Believe in the Whole Truth, Complete Truth, and All Truth. Gospel, Doctrine, and Teaching without an err. And all TRUE members of the body of Christ, be not divided but speaking the same thing in and about Christ.
1 Cor. 1:10 (kjv)
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye ALL speak the SAME thing, and that there be no DIVISIONS among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
I think it depends on who you are. Where have you been in Christ?
4: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb. 6:4-6
If one had experienced what is written in these verses it is impossible that they can be renewed again.
Does Hebrews 6:4-5 describe all believers? Or is it just a subset? If it is all born again Heaven-bound (at least for now) believers, then I guess you are saying OBAB (Once Backslid Always Backslid): each individual's life history starts out lost, some switch to saved at some point, and some of those switch back to lost at some later point. But nobody's history can be switched from lost to saved more than once.
If it is a subset, ie some believers go on to some higher level of experience that others don't achieve, then it is only those who can lose out permanently (OBAB). My "switch" needs three settings, in that case: Lost, Saved, and Heb645 mode (super saved?). Use that last setting at your own risk!
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Funny I had the same thing with trying to edit my post.
Sorry I don't believe I got my thought out clearly about past present and future sins. I know the blood covers past, present, and future sins, but I was speaking of how it applys to us as an individual.
Something like say someone got the new birth or saved last year. Does that covers the sins he did afterwards, did or doing at present, and any future sins the one commits even if not repenting or unrepentive of them? Once saved, always saved, no matter what.
I hope that explains it moreso of what I meant by past, present, and future.
4: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb. 6:4-6
The difference is seen between verse 4 and 5. In my understanding verse 4 would be reality for every Christian.
Verse 5 however is something that very few believers have experience in. If THESE fall away it looks like YAH has nothing else he can draw them with. They already had the GOOD word.
They already knew the POWERS OF THE WORLD TO COME that is the gifts of the Holy Ghost. If THAT does not hold them to Christ NOTHING WILL. The writer seems to say they will not repent.
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