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Old 06-09-2008, 10:50 AM
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Re: Was Abraham's Relationship W/Hagar Adulterous?

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Perhaps true. But, as someone already said, it wasn't officially in the law, at first. Was eating shellfish also an abomination from the beginning?
Perhaps you should take some time to read your Bible again.
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Old 06-09-2008, 11:20 AM
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Re: Was Abraham's Relationship W/Hagar Adulterous?

The point of this to me is that if The Lord promises you something,wait on Him and don't take matters into your own hands.
The results of trying to cause things to happen ahead of God's timing, won't be good.
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Old 06-09-2008, 11:48 AM
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Re: Was Abraham's Relationship W/Hagar Adulterous?

Romans 5:12,13 (and also the verses following these two are helpful.)

12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

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Re: Was Abraham's Relationship W/Hagar Adulterous?

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Romans 5:12,13 (and also the verses following these two are helpful.)

12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

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Re: Was Abraham's Relationship W/Hagar Adulterous?

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Perhaps you should take some time to read your Bible again.
Again?!? How many times will it take?

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Old 06-09-2008, 12:35 PM
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Re: Was Abraham's Relationship W/Hagar Adulterous?

I really do not know if this has been said and I am not going to take to read this whole thread, but I was always taught the because Hagar was the handmaiden that she could have been given to Abraham with no problems. That was or could have been part of her responsiblities to Sarah was to also meet the needs of her spouse, whether sexually or not. That is what I was always taught. I was also taught the reason it was wrong and or caused trouble with God was due to the fact that the promise child was promised to come from Sarah and not Hagar. That is where the problem in this whole scenerio lies is that Abraham and Sarah got out of the divine plan of God and messed with it and made it into a human situation and not a God situation.
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Old 06-09-2008, 01:38 PM
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Re: Was Abraham's Relationship W/Hagar Adulterous?

I believe God hates unbelief. If He promises something, He will do it, if we
believe His Word.
Abraham believed God and it was credited to him for righteousness. Sarah
couldn't wait on the promised child. What a bitter pill to swallow when she
saw Ishmael teasing Isaac when they celebrated Isaac's weaning. She saw
the mistake of giving her bondwoman (flesh) to her husband.

It took faith to wait on the Promise of God, at Abraham and Sarah's age.
It took nothing but a fleshly woman to produce a child of the flesh.

When we cease to believe God and we don't keep our part in obeying Him,
the flesh (in some form) will steal our joy and sometimes our children also.

It pays to believe God and His promises. There are promises to those who wait
on the Lord. King Saul didn't wait and took matters into his own hands and lost
his anointing.(kingdom), All those examples show us today what happens to those
who wait and to those who do not wait upon the Lord. While we are waiting we
can renew our strength. If we really believed God, we would wait. Our unbelief,
like Sarah's and Saul's, etc., gets in the way.

Lord, teach us to wait upon You!

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Re: Was Abraham's Relationship W/Hagar Adulterous?

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Was it murder when Cain killed Abel or wasn't it, Joelel?
yes but there was no law that said murder was sin or they was not to murder.
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Was Abraham's Relationship With Hagar Adulterous?
Because he stepped out of the bounds of what God planned for him it certainly would seem adulterous... Look at the trouble it's caused since...
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