My husband and I believe and teach in home Bible studies, that you are not born again until you have repented, been baptised in Jesus Name, and been filled with the Holy Ghost.
My Pastor does not teach or believe that you are first saved at repentance (or faith or belief) and that baptism is subsequent to that...
as my former pastor now teaches and I believe is in error with this. Although he
is a great preacher/teacher and a good man... he's wrong.
If you'd like to read what my pastor teaches, you can find it on his website.
PM me if you'd like the address. I won't post it here without his permission.
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Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
the bible never said anything about a good conscience saving us or being the result of salvation. I believe it means a good conscience choice
Very good words.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Anyone, can one have a good concsience concerning sin without having accepted forgiveness/remission? Can one who does realize he is forgiven have a good conscience concerning his sin before God?
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However the conscience is NOT cleared until baptism that erases the record.
Steve, please explain the phrase "answer of a good conscience toward God" in 1Peter 3:21. This passage says baptism is the answer of a good conscience. It implies the good conscience exists prior to baptism does it not? You've not dealt with this phrase yet, please do so. Thanks.
Also, how long have you taken Haywood's position of forgiveness (aphesis) not meaning remission (aphesis)?
And while I'm at it, you know as well as I do, but simply won't admit that EIS can be causal in Acts 2:38 without the baptismal sin remission conclusion.
Anyone, can one have a good concsience concerning sin without having accepted forgiveness/remission? Can one who does realize he is forgiven have a good conscience concerning his sin before God?
Steve said: Steve, please explain the phrase "answer of a good conscience toward God" in 1Peter 3:21. This passage says baptism is the answer of a good conscience. It implies the good conscience exists prior to baptism does it not? You've not dealt with this phrase yet, please do so. Thanks.
Also, how long have you taken Haywood's position of forgiveness (aphesis) not meaning remission (aphesis)?
And while I'm at it, you know as well as I do, but simply won't admit that EIS can be causal in Acts 2:38 without the baptismal sin remission conclusion.
I have always believed forgiveness and remission occur in connection but separately. Thus forgiveness at repentance and remission at baptism. I have dealt with the passage you just don't accept my conclusion.
The discussion over the word EIS in Acts 2:38 is an interesting one. It can be interpreted to mean several things. It can be causal or non-causal. Steve will probably jump in here without answering my other question because this is a pet argument of his. He fails to realize that EIS can be causal and still not demand his interpretation of baptismal sin remission. I'll let you do a search of my other posts on this forum for much more detail. I do not want this thread to be turned into that discussion.
Eis is with a view towards remission of sin not looking back on sin that is already remitted. I'll leave it at that.
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I want someone to tell me why so many here believe that baptism cleans the conscience of man when Scripture plainly states that a good/clean conscience exists prior to baptism. Can you do that for me, Mark?
Baptism cleans the conscience of sin by the blood of
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Heb 9:14
Is a good conscience the same as a clean conscience?
When is our conscience purged from dead works (sins) by the blood of Christ? To purge or to wash away sin or to circumcise the body of sin....all happen at water baptism.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
Eis is with a view towards remission of sin not looking back on sin that is already remitted. I'll leave it at that.
Baptism cleans the conscience of sin by the blood of
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Heb 9:14
Is a good conscience the same as a clean conscience?
When is our conscience purged from dead works (sins) by the blood of Christ? To purge or to wash away sin or to circumcise the body of sin....all happen at water baptism.
True.
Baptism clears the ledger makes it legal. The sins are sent away-loosed-eradicated-at baptism for the penitent.
The RESPONSE OF A GOOD CONSCEINCE, Steve.... please explain how baptism is a RESPONSE of a conscience already made good.
Sinners can have a good conscience when they do good in a particular situation.
A repentant believer can have a good conscience in that he repented.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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