*** Poll: Does all scripture point to Acts 2:38? ****

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Blood was shed at death.Rom.6:: Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death (blood): that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5: For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death (blood), we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection

Much of the power of the Blood of Jesus was shed before the Cross. On his journey for our healing and benefit.

Today many assign sowing to getting.

When our following his walk "to" calvary carries these miracles.

We talk about the salvational formula. Death-Burial-Resurrection.

We do not want to preach about the "CrossWalk" that Jesus took.

We need to walk with him on that Journey in our salvation.

Or we do not complete the complete work of Grace and salvation.

I do not leave out Acts 2:38.

I walk with Christ in his journey to the Cross...

Our belief is not in Acts 2:38.

That is a response to our faith in the redeeming power of his shed blood on calvary.

Without the shedding of Blood there is "no" remission of sins.

[revrandy]

Most folks leave people in the Grave concerning Salvation...offering repentence and burial but that's as far as some folks get...

The work of Calvary was the culmination of the Gospel..but the resurrection was beginning of the church.. and walking in the Newness of life....

No Resurrection...No Newness....

but Christ didn't stay in the Grave... he was resurrected...brought back to life... just as we who repent... and are baptized recieve His Spirit by being filled with it...

[Neck]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Isn't there a direct correlation between the cross of Christ and taking up our cross in repentance?

What about His burial in a tomb compared to our burial in water baptism....buried with Christ?

The direct correlation to the Cross is to believe that he died for our sins on Calvary.

Without that understanding and belief first.

The Acts 2:38 experience is a completed work in a formula and not the finished work on Calvary.

One should not be a candidate for Baptism withour belief.

We do not baptize babies.

So does the adult believe that Acts 2:38 saves them?

Or should they believe first and understand that Christ shed his blood for their sins on Calvary.

Then who can forbid water....

For the men at Pentecost were pricked in their hearts.

Then asked what shall we do?

Being Pricked they understood they had crucified the son of God...

My distinction:

I believe my belief rest on the belief that Christ died for my sins on Calvary.

Then that belief brought about repentance in my heart.

Which led me to the waters of Baptism.

Then the joy and newness of life brought me into the wonderful power of the Holy spirit.

That experience brought about a conversation with God that I could not understand for my words were new as was my body-soul-spirit.

Our belief in God is not summed up by Acts 2:38.

It is simpl faith in his death on calvary...

[Neck]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Most folks leave people in the Grave concerning Salvation...offering repentence and burial but that's as far as some folks get...

The work of Calvary was the culmination of the Gospel..but the resurrection was beginning of the church.. and walking in the Newness of life....

No Resurrection...No Newness....

but Christ didn't stay in the Grave... he was resurrected...brought back to life... just as we who repent... and are baptized recieve His Spirit by being filled with it...

It was stated pick up "your" cross and follow him. If you do not follow Christ in his journey to the Cross.

You will never find death to be buried.

Even your Baptism in Jesus name has no affect.

We baptize, and get folks talking in a new talk.

But we never take them on the journey before the death, burial and resurection...

Out healing was made possible by his journey to the cross.

Which tells us his journey is our daily walk in Christ...

Many such as Joel Osteen have taken down their cross.

They believe it to be a negative symbol.

So they preach to sow to get...

When our healings are found on the road to calvary...

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

The Scriptures point to the Cross.

Acts 2:38 begins your journey from the Cross to Glory.

The Glory road is walked in Mercy, faith and in the fear of God.

Committing sin puts you back at the starting point the "Cross".

The importance of the Cross.

We visit the Cross daily.

We visit Acts 2:38 once....

There should be more preaching on the Cross.

Less preaching to the choir about Acts 2:38.

Some preach it as if they are getting baptized like Bill Murray waking up in Ground hog day at 6:00AM "to the same song over and over again."

Most spend 80% of their ministerial work preaching about Acts 2:38 a onetime experience.

20% preaching and teaching about the "Cross" and the Journey the "Cross" and Acts 2:38 puts you on......

Go from the tank to the Journey and live the life of an overcoming, motivated and "Action" Apostolic.

Not an "Apathetic" Apostolic.

There is more "Action" in the "Acts".

Otherwise this book of the bible should be known as the The Book "Act".

Or the "Act of the Apostles."

I agree,

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Before you are buried you need to understand what Christ did on the cross and believe that the shedding of his blood will give you forgiveness of sins.

There is no forgiveness at repentance without believing in the Cross of Calvary.

The problem I had growing up in the UPCI was the constant emphasis on Acts 2:38 to be preached without showing the importance of the Cross of Calvary.

We spent our entire walk with God talking about an experience all of us could only complete once in our walk with God...

I agree