OK, One more time...at which "step" is one rapture ready?

[DividedThigh]

regeneration is a process, it is progressive, that is what i believe, regeneration or becoming a new creature does not equal perfection but a state of heart and relationship to christ, dt

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by philjones

Dan,

How do you know the conversion was genuine? How does anyone?

MOW,

How do you measure or determine "genuine" repentance? What quantifies and qualifies one's repentance as 'genuine"? Don't tell me you start fruit inspecting or looking at the works or behaviors or attitudes demonstrated by the repentee. Surely you don't do that?

Originally Posted by J-Roc

This is quite simple to answer. The perspective you are looking at this is from a perspective of one person determining someone else's salvation. However, the matter of salvation is personal and the Bible informs one on how to be saved. The preacher teaches what repentance is...the hearer then, alone (with God), knows in their own heart if they have repented genuinely.

So, to answer your question, genuine repentance is determined by the person that is doing the repenting. They alone know their own motives whether genuine or not...they need salvation for themselves, not to show it to someone else. As for us, knowing whether we are dealing with a fellow believer, that is where the fruit will show in due time. Jesus taught us to judge a tree by the fruit it bears, that's how we know if we are dealing with a poser or not.

...but most everyone here is looking at this from a viewpoint that one person has to determine whether the other is saved. Time to change the glasses and look at it from a different vantage point.

In addition, because many think that they need to determine whether someone else is saved or not (not by admission of the convert, since that is not enough evidently), logically, they think they need a supernatural sign to determine this salvation which is why they lean on tongues (though Dan already pointed out it was a sign for unbeliever and not believers).

[Brother Price]

The gifts are for the believer, while the signs are for the unbeliever.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

In addition, because many think that they need to determine whether someone else is saved or not (not by admission of the convert, since that is not enough evidently), logically, they think they need a supernatural sign to determine this salvation which is why they lean on tongues (though Dan already pointed out it was a sign for unbeliever and not believers).

When is the last time you read the book of Acts?

Originally Posted by Brother Price

The gifts are for the believer, while the signs are for the unbeliever.

What does that say about those who demand a sign within the church walls?