End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Hulda did more than that.....

That wasn't the question......

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

You have been quoting the Bible, have you not?

LOL - Yea', that's the whole point !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

You misunderstand. You seem to be saying that ministry is limited to those five offices. Is that correct? I'm saying that I don't believe that's all ministry is about. The Bible doesn't say that either.

Actually, it is YOU who "misunderstand" (but, take heart, you are not alone !).


The 5-fold ministry is specifically for "the equipping of the saints" (kinda' missed that point eh'?) - which is the job of the preacher in the church .

[rdp]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

RDP/Pliny have yet to produce a scripture that says "a woman shalt not preach".... or that a woman cannot fulfill the role of an evangelist for that matter.

LOL - you're correct, we've not produced "a" Scripture that specifically forbids women from "preaching" to men in the church - we've produced many ! You just refuse to accept the Biblical data as it's written:


New International Version
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

New Living Translation
I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.

English Standard Version
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

New American Standard Bible
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

King James Bible
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to be silent.

International Standard Version
Moreover, in the area of teaching, I am not allowing a woman to instigate conflict toward a man. Instead, she is to remain calm.

NET Bible
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. She must remain quiet.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For I do not allow a woman to teach, neither to usurp over a man, but she should be quiet;

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I don't allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. Instead, she should be quiet.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over a mature man, but to be at rest.

King James 2000 Bible
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have authority over the man, but to be in silence.

American King James Version
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

American Standard Version
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.

Darby Bible Translation
but I do not suffer a woman to teach nor to exercise authority over man, but to be in quietness;

English Revised Version
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Webster's Bible Translation
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Weymouth New Testament
I do not permit a woman to teach, nor have authority over a man, but she must remain silent.

World English Bible
But I don't permit a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over a man, but to be in quietness.



Have ye' so soon forgotten the definition of the verb "teach":


In the NT, 1321 /didáskō ("teach") nearly always refers to teaching the Scriptures (the written Word of God). The key role of teaching Scripture is shown by its great frequency in the NT, and the variety of word-forms (cognates). This includes three noun-forms, two adjectival forms, and one verb, totaling about 220 occurrences in the NT.



Yes, the Bible explicitly forbids women to preach to men in the church - you simply have your heels dug in so you can protect your defiance to Scripture .

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Pliny wrote to Trajan at the beginning of the second century that he had subjected women to the torture in persecution that he might extort confession: "Ex duabus aucillis quæ ministræ dicebantur." Evidently one of these nouns, ancilla, is the common designation of handmaid, and the other, ministra, the official name of a female servant. And this term translates the Greek diakonoV in patristic Latin. [5]

The patristic Latin could be translated: "I have judged it necessary to obtain information by torture from two servicing women (ancillae) called by them 'deaconesses' (ministrae)." [6] This may be the first reference to female deaconesses. ( This is found in almost all church history books.)

There she goes again with her isolated-esoteric "(mis)translations" !

[KeptByTheWord]

You don't have one single scripture, not even using your bible hub lexicon, and stretching the meaning, that says a woman shall not preach. lol...

And while you're at it, we're still waiting on you to produce a scripture that defines the qualifications of an evangelist, and which gender(s) are allowed by Paul to be an evangelist...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I have to wonder if RDP is really this crass in real life or if his hiding behind a computer screen aids in his ability to 'be big'?

I'm real. I am behind the computer who I am in real life. Those who have met me can attest to that.

I wouldn't mind ever meeting RDP in real life and having this same conversation with him, however, I'm sure that if he is in real life how he is behind a computer, I would quickly get up and leave.

There are many on this thread who disagree with one another, but for the most part, it's decent conversation, as it should be. Instead, he insults elder women (regardless whether or not she is 'right' in the eyes of God, it doesn't matter, that should NEVER be done), and when she expresses her concern over what she believes to be an insult, he fails to be the bigger person, apologize, whatever, and instead justifies his actions by stating that she is doing the same thing to him.

I see, thumbs down for me - but thumbs up for her ?


Hold her to the same level of accountability you hold me to then we may get somewhere - otherwise we'll just keep rollin' !


Besides, I have always told Sis. Alvear I respect her outreach efforts, love for the lost, sacrifices, etc. - anything to divert from the biblical text though eh' ?

[KeptByTheWord]

Obviously... you need to change your anti-women preacher nonsense. What you really don't believe in is a women teacher - or... a woman teaching a man.... (as Paul allows for women to teach other women), and then, according to some views, you have some scripture to back that up.

But you have absolutely NO SCRIPTURE to back up the fact that a woman can't be called a preacher, or a prophetess. NONE. Men and women both went preaching (telling the gospel), and both men and women prophesied in the NT.

So... methinks you need to change your stance ... (according to the scriptures, which you so staunchly assert) to "I don't believe in women teachers." lol

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

and getting back to the subject


English Standard Version
The Lord gives the word; the women who announce the news are a great host:

New American Standard Bible
The Lord gives the command; The women who proclaim the good tidings are a great host:

King James Bible
The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
The Lord gave the command; a great company of women brought the good news:"

International Standard Version
The Lord issues a command. Numerous are the women who announce the news:

NET Bible
The Lord speaks; many, many women spread the good news.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Lord Jehovah will give the word of the Gospel in great power!

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The Lord gives instructions. The women who announce the good news are a large army.

King James 2000 Bible
The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.

American King James Version
The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.

American Standard Version
The Lord giveth the word: The women that publish the tidings are a great host.

Douay-Rheims Bible
The Lord shall give the word to them that preach good tidings with great power.

Darby Bible Translation
The Lord gives the word: great the host of the publishers.

English Revised Version
The Lord giveth the word: the women that publish the tidings are a great host.

Webster's Bible Translation
The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.

World English Bible
The Lord announced the word. The ones who proclaim it are a great company.

Young's Literal Translation
The Lord doth give the saying, The female proclaimers are a numerous host.

LOL - Yea' - let's get back to the "subject" of the passage shall we?


68 Let God arise, let His enemies be scattered,
And let those who hate Him flee before Him.
2 As smoke is driven away, so drive them away;
As wax melts before the fire,
So let the wicked perish before God.
3 But let the righteous be glad; let them exult before God;
Yes, let them rejoice with gladness.


4 Sing to God, sing praises to His name;
Lift up a song for Him who rides through the deserts,
Whose name is the Lord, and exult before Him.

5 A father of the fatherless and a judge for the widows,
Is God in His holy habitation.
6 God makes a home for the lonely;
He leads out the prisoners into prosperity,
Only the rebellious dwell in a parched land.

7 O God, when You went forth before Your people,
When You marched through the wilderness, Selah.
8 The earth quaked;
The heavens also dropped rain at the presence of God;
Sinai itself quaked at the presence of God, the God of Israel.
9 You shed abroad a plentiful rain, O God;
You confirmed Your inheritance when it was parched.
10 Your creatures settled in it;
You provided in Your goodness for the poor, O God.

11 The Lord gives the command;
The women who proclaim the good tidings are a great host:


Hmmm, I must've overlooked them-thar women "preaching-teaching" from the Scriptures ?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

My personal opinion is people like our dear brother would not listen to Huldah or any other woman for that matter... However the Bible says, "Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Tell ye the man that sent you to me, Thus saith the Lord, the God of Israel."

Huldah was responsible to deliver both blessing and judgment; pain and peace...and so it is today...

Like HIS mother of long ago said...Whatever He says...do it....He called me to be a missionary and have been on my post for almost half a century...and plan to be here working when I hear the come up higher call.....

Yes M'aam, but what Huldah nor any other woman ever-once did was expound from Scripture to men in a congregation - & you've been shown this over & over & over .


Respectfully, you simply believe what you want to believe - despite the clear biblical data to the contrary.