Was it necessary to repeal DADT?

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by DAII

Or maybe you should .... examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Your'e lion.

And you're my favorite scarecrow

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Of sorts, though, it's not apples and oranges. I think one of the points that a lot of us...me for sure....have attempted to make is, that people treat homosexuality differently than they treat everything else.

If I had a close homosexual friend, I would attend their birthday party if invited, their graduation, whatever other celebratory events they had in their life. (I have, actually.) But I wouldn't attend their wedding. Because a wedding has a purpose - the joining together of two people. Since I strongly believe that it's not God's plan for two people of the same gender to be 'joined together' in that way, I could not in good conscience attend.

That's why 'homosexuality' gets treated differently in this particular instance.


(DA, I'll try to respond to you tomorrow when I have more time, I need to get ready for church right now.)

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Ephesians 5
1Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

2And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

Notice he mentions walk in love? Some keep driving the point about showing love, let's look at what Paul says about certain lifestyles and what should be our response.

3But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

4Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.



I'm sure we all agree that homosexuals not making it in the kingdom of God. I hope we all agree.





6Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.


Gods wrath is upon them.



7Be not ye therefore partakers with them.


Be not partakers, now does that only mean don't join whoremongers in the bed? Shortly we will see what Paul says to do.



8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

9(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth

10Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.


We are to walk in the light PROVING what is acceptable to the Lord.



11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

12For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.



Some things are even shameful to talk about let alone show up with gifts to celebrate it. We should reproving them to prove what is acceptable to the Lord.





13But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light



"All things that are reproved" Who does that reproving? Paul didn't say let God do it, but we should be reproving. One way we do that is like APOSTLE Paul taught is to not fellowship.


Notice this all started with "walk in love" How can Paul go from Love to reproving whoremongers, fornicators, idolators etc......?? Did he lack the "love the sinner" revelation?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

You're stretching this about a thousand miles out of context. That is directly given as instruction to an individual concerning their personal behavior.

Please expound, I see nothing wrong with the context.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Point is, He did something on our behalf rather than taking a stand against our sins. Jesus didn't protest our sins, He died for them.

I think it is fair to say that Jesus takes a stand against our sins. Christ loved us, just as we should love the sinner now. However, the BIBLE tells us how to apply that love, as Truth Seeker pointed out.

In all this grace talk many have neglegted the wrath of God. Grace only becomes clear in the context of wrath. To OVER-emphasize either one leads to error.



Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying , Behold , the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away . 5 And he that sat upon the throne said , Behold , I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write : for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done . I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable , and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

But IT DOESN'T SAY "IN FELLOWSHIP WITH FOLKS"!!!!!!

Don't be in fellowship with THE DEEDS.

Goodness.

Going to a homosexual 'wedding' AND bearing a gift isn't fellowshipping with the deeds. It was 100% sin, every bit of it.

When sin is present it should be reproved. If my kids steal something, I don't buy them a new bike, and tell them I don't agree with their stealing. Thats not sending a massage of love.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Would any of you guys go to a gay wedding of a couple who claim faith in Christ and his grace?

Never, and their faith would not be a true saving faith if their living a homosexual lifestyle, nor true repentance.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Here's Warren Weirsbe:

Ephesians 5:12 gives us a caution. Be careful how you deal with the "unfruitful works of darkness." The motto today seems to be, "Tell it like it is!" And yet that can be a dangerous policy when it comes to exposing the filthy things of the darkness, lest we unconsciously advertise and promote sin. Some preachers enjoy reveling in the sensational, so much so that their sermons excite appetites and give to the innocent more information than they need."

I'm pretty sure WW doesn't approve of pastors attending homosexual weddings. Furthermore the context of what hes saying seems to apply to those preachers who tell of what sinners they used to be that they embellish and end up glorifying their sin.

And what more advertisement can there be for sin that presenting gifts for a sinful act?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Never, and their faith would not be a true saving faith if their living a homosexual lifestyle, nor true repentance.

Jason, why are you so harsh? Don't you know God loves them and your sin is as great as theirs?

Do you want to be judged harshly for speeding on the way home tonight? We are all on this journey together... don't single out homosexuals just because you personally hate them...

and on it goes... there is no end.

Thanks for making a strong case in this thread Jason. Your love for God and the unbeliever come through very well and I appreciate your contribution.