I agree, but isn't that a bestowed honor, rather than a requested piece of paper? Like a panel of people get together and say, "Who can we give an honorary degree to--ohhhh, THIS person--look at all the work he's done; let's give him a degree." ????
I've never received an honorary degree, so I guess I'm no expert on the process.
Something like that, yes. By definition, it is a way of honoring someone who a university feels worthy of honor. Ideally, they are not bestowed lightly. In fact, many more "earned" degrees are typically issued than honorary degrees, by any given institution in any given year.
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
How does one even begin to work with manuscripts or paleography without expertise? I'm not sure how that works.
And what degrees are we talking about? We know how he earned a degree at ABI. Sure, honorary degrees from Princeton, Yale, Cambridge -- those are quite a high honor. Neither are they synonymous with an actual Ph.D though. Most that receive honorary doctorates also have a doctorate. Ravi Zacharias for example. He has several honorary doctorates, on top of his own doctorate and work in the field of apologetics.
Good questions Jeffrey. I haven't studied either field myself. I know he did study at Trinity Dublin College as well in paleography. Google, maybe?
I see your point. There could be more to this story though that we, so far removed here, may not know or understand. I don't really care to make a big deal about Bro Treece and his credentials. If I am going to die on a hill it will be over Scripture.
Good questions Jeffrey. I haven't studied either field myself. I know he did study at Trinity Dublin College as well in paleography. Google, maybe?
I see your point. There could be more to this story though that we, so far removed here, may not know or understand. I don't really care to make a big deal about Bro Treece and his credentials. If I am going to die on a hill it will be over Scripture.
Oh.... you were talking about MDT. We've since moved on to LS the past 50 posts! lol
I'm not willing to die on any of these hills either. I think it's worth discussing though. Growing up in this fellowship, I've noticed this so often. It's dishonest. We have smart enough guys to put in the work, work exclusive in academics to provide a better scholastic future for Pentecostalism. No pretending.
Oh.... you were talking about MDT. We've since moved on to LS the past 50 posts! lol
I'm not willing to die on any of these hills either. I think it's worth discussing though. Growing up in this fellowship, I've noticed this so often. It's dishonest. We have smart enough guys to put in the work, work exclusive in academics to provide a better scholastic future for Pentecostalism. No pretending.
Ah. I have no idea about him. I agree with you though.
Appreciative of your opinion, I just don't see it as incredibly important to create a distinction of translations according to Oneness or Trinity. There are dozens of other variables that are much more important and relevant.
When you say "Trinitarian verses" do you suggest these Oneness scholars (who are non-existent right now) would better interpret these verses with a different outcome?
Im not saying anyone needs to create a distinction in translations according to Oneness or Trinity.
Im saying, as I already said, Trinitarians agree Heb 1:8 can be translated differently so that it does not support the Deity of the Son...coming from Trinitarian based Translations. I doubt there is any translation that is completely void of all bias.
Heb 1:8, as it is, is a powerful verse for the Deity of the Son
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Im not saying anyone needs to create a distinction in translations according to Oneness or Trinity.
Im saying, as I already said, Trinitarians agree Heb 1:8 can be translated differently so that it does not support the Deity of the Son...coming from Trinitarian based Translations. I doubt there is any translation that is completely void of all bias.
Heb 1:8, as it is, is a powerful verse for the Deity of the Son
Prax, are you saying there is 100% uniformity among scholars (especially scholars that are Trinitarian) on this verse? I'd be surprised. When you say "Trinitarians translate this as ..." it sounds like they are one person or group, when in reality "they" aren't monolithic at all.
They do or don't want the verse to support the Son's deity? Their decision for interpretation is based on that alone?
Equal in the sight of God? OF course! Pel, do you think Trinitarians as a whole view Oneness doctrinally equal? Please folks, go visit Carm. We are despised ther for our doctrines. They treat us with disdain, say we are not Christian, lost and going to hell, as a whole, not just some or part of most OPs....because we deny the Trinity
Exactly, if you want to see some trinitarians foaming at the mouth damning all oneness to burn in hell forever (liberals, UC's-doesn't matter) go to CARM forums and click on "oneness".
I'm all for mixed fellowship among people who seek God and seek to live godly, but there are many on the other side of the fence who would rather die before fellowshipping a oneness person.
It does get old when folks come on here attacking oneness people, which thinking trinitarians are some great peace makers. **NEWSFLASH- oneness people didn't leave the AoG, they were kicked out.
__________________
"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
Exactly, if you want to see some trinitarians foaming at the mouth damning all oneness to burn in hell forever (liberals, UC's-doesn't matter) go to CARM forums and click on "oneness".
I'm all for mixed fellowship among people who seek God and seek to live godly, but there are many on the other side of the fence who would rather die before fellowshipping a oneness person.
It does get old when folks come on here attacking oneness people, which thinking trinitarians are some great peace makers. **NEWSFLASH- oneness people didn't leave the AoG, they were kicked out.
I have been on both sides of the fence and guess what 90% of the time the problem is with the Oneness people. Can anyone recall an instance where a local college of Trinitarians take over a Oneness service? Yet we hear about it from time to time in a bragging way from Oneness folks.
__________________
"Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow." ~Aesop
I don't know what a degree mill has need for an adjunct for...oh I see they need someone to continue peddling degrees for them.
Just sign here...ya they don't care if you have cut you hair...put your bank routing number here...oh and your credit card info here...you will have your degree in six to eight weeks...unless you live in Arkansas then we can't sell you one...
__________________
"Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow." ~Aesop
__________________
"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
(believe it or not)
Linear Mode
