Noah and the Ark

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Sean

Good, if you have been DELIVERED from it, the why dont you leave it completely? This is a "religious" forum. You for some unknown reason, are drawn to it. I have been observing your posts and realize whatever "drug" you out of church is trying to drag others out. It is an evil spirit(s) doing this.

You just don't get it, do you. It's all about the Truth, something you are afraid of.

[n david]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/spectral

spectral
adjective ghostly, unearthly, eerie, supernatural, weird, phantom, shadowy, uncanny, spooky (informal), insubstantial, incorporeal.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/insubstantial

1. Lacking substance or reality

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/incorporeal

1. Lacking material form or substance.

Ah, but that's not the definition of the phrase you've been using in your posts! You can break the words down and try to define to the 2nd degree (insubstantial and incorporeal), but that doesn't change the true meaning of "Spectral Evidence," which is defined as seeing a spirit or spectral shape in a dream or vision.

It would be more accurate for you to claim people's beliefs are incorporeal -- lacking material form or substance; however, to claim we're using "Spectral Evidence" is simply absurd and completely untrue. No one has claimed to see spirits in a dream.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Every one of those emotions requires, and is, in response to physical presence, and they have no life without it.

What about those who have nightmares and are filled with terror even though there is no physical reason or dreams that fill one with happiness or what of hope that is simply the expectation that things will get better and requires no evidence? Emotions need nothing but the mind for life and as both philosophy and science have yet to prove that the mind even exist how can you believe in it. As one famous atheist said "we only think that we think" .

Originally Posted by NotforSale

These emotions are energy which can also be validated by the individual, and can be measured as a whole in Society.

So energy and emotions are one and the same. In light of that please explain paralyzing fear or the feeling of being drained of all energy?

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Fear is Fear, whether you are Religious or not. Love is Love, whether you live in America now or in the past. Joy is felt by the Atheist and the Agnostic. Anger is seen in a Dictators speech or in a man who is protecting his Family from violence.

God is God weather you are religious or not. It does not matter where you live or have lived God is still God.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Experience will validate Truth.

Then how do you not discount all of the religious experience of people here and other places?

Originally Posted by NotforSale

No offense, but your argument is a moot point in this discussion, because everyone knows they have emotions that exist, regardless of who they are.

There is great debate as to weather or not emotions or even the mind actually exist. There is no physical evidence with which one can definitely prove the actual existance of emotions. Please explain irrational fear. With all due respect your argument is moot and void since you have no physical evidence to offer us.

Bump

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by n david

Ah, but that's not the definition of the phrase you've been using in your posts! You can break the words down and try to define to the 2nd degree (insubstantial and incorporeal), but that doesn't change the true meaning of "Spectral Evidence," which is defined as seeing a spirit or spectral shape in a dream or vision.

It would be more accurate for you to claim people's beliefs are incorporeal -- lacking material form or substance; however, to claim we're using "Spectral Evidence" is simply absurd and completely untrue. No one has claimed to see spirits in a dream.

I use the term Spectral Evidence correctly, and justifiably. Religion is a Court Room full of unproven, unseen Evidence, where spirits and dreams are used on a regular basis.

You're also doing what Religionist do best; they dissect a word until they get what they want because they don't want to admit they are wrong.

I guess you haven't been in the Apostolic movement very long. Hang around for a while, and the dreams, visions, and spirits will come. Seriously, I don't think you're even Apostolic.

[n david]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I use the term Spectral Evidence correctly, and justifiably. Religion is a Court Room full of unproven, unseen Evidence, where spirits and dreams are used on a regular basis.

The bold is incorrect. And while you specify "Religion" here, many of your posts claim that myself and other people here are using Spectral Evidence. Please provide the proof where anyone has posted in this thread about seeing a spirit in a dream or vision. No one has.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

You're also doing what Religionist do best; they dissect a word until they get what they want because they don't want to admit they are wrong.

You're the one dissecting the meaning of the word down to the 2nd degree! Here's something for you: I and others may, in the end, be completely wrong. But I don't believe we are. I haven't seen you post such possibility yourself. What about you? Can you admit you may be completely wrong in your current beliefs?

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I guess you haven't been in the Apostolic movement very long. Hang around for a while, and the dreams, visions, and spirits will come. Seriously, I don't think you're even Apostolic.

Born and raised in the UPC. I've heard Stoneking speak of seeing Angels. I knew Sis. Agnes Rich and heard her speak of seeing Angels. And yes, I've heard some say they had a dream or vision. That doesn't negate their faith or belief one bit.

Have you ever had a dream? Watch out, you might be using Spectral Evidence yourself!

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Luke

What about those who have nightmares and are filled with terror even though there is no physical reason or dreams that fill one with happiness or what of hope that is simply the expectation that things will get better and requires no evidence? Emotions need nothing but the mind for life and as both philosophy and science have yet to prove that the mind even exist how can you believe in it. As one famous atheist said "we only think that we think" .

So energy and emotions are one and the same. In light of that please explain paralyzing fear or the feeling of being drained of all energy?

God is God weather you are religious or not. It does not matter where you live or have lived God is still God.

Then how do you not discount all of the religious experience of people here and other places?

There is great debate as to weather or not emotions or even the mind actually exist. There is no physical evidence with which one can definitely prove the actual existance of emotions. Please explain irrational fear. With all due respect your argument is moot and void since you have no physical evidence to offer us.

Bump

You know what they say, KISS. Luke, did Noah and Ark really happen?

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

You need to do research on the Bible and its Origin. Modern printing presses were not invented until just a few Centuries ago, and the Canon was not complete until the end of the 4th Century.

Were Adam and Eve given a Book in the Garden?

Physical evidence of God is all around us. Creation is God's handiwork, or invention, and we can learn about the Inventor if we study the Invention. Simple as can be!

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't speaking strictly about the Holy Bible, but about any book of any religion, creed, belief, etc.

As for your physical relationship with God, are you saying that it's only because of what you see that He exists to you?

[Luke]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

You know what they say, KISS. Luke, did Noah and Ark really happen?

I don't get the kiss reference. Yes Noah and the Ark really happened. Why did you avoid responding to my points of rebuttal?

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by n david

The bold is incorrect. And while you specify "Religion" here, many of your posts claim that myself and other people here are using Spectral Evidence. Please provide the proof where anyone has posted in this thread about seeing a spirit in a dream or vision. No one has.

You're the one dissecting the meaning of the word down to the 2nd degree! Here's something for you: I and others may, in the end, be completely wrong. But I don't believe we are. I haven't seen you post such possibility yourself. What about you? Can you admit you may be completely wrong in your current beliefs?

Born and raised in the UPC. I've heard Stoneking speak of seeing Angels. I knew Sis. Agnes Rich and heard her speak of seeing Angels. And yes, I've heard some say they had a dream or vision. That doesn't negate their faith or belief one bit.

Have you ever had a dream? Watch out, you might be using Spectral Evidence yourself!

Do you claim that God speaks to you?

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Luke

I don't get the kiss reference. Yes Noah and the Ark really happened. Why did you avoid responding to my points of rebuttal?

Keep It Simple S…..