App, Mark is just now making some popcorn. And you want take this away?
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
With every head bowed and every eye closed, I know there are those among us who really need the wonderful gift of the Holy Ghost and there are others who want to draw nearer to the Lord and establish a more intimate relationship with Him.
Just put your hand on your computer - the Lord will make it REAL time - you can take this day...this hour...and this moment to recommit yourself to His purpose and calling...
Each and every one of you has enjoyed the blessing and fellowship of His perfect forum or fora...and now is the acceptable time...now is the time to take that first step...now is the time to move from just entering, deleting, escaping or paging down...now is the time to move out from behind the protection of your keyboard...and move to the altar of commitment and acceptance...
Now, singing, "Have thine own way Lord" (times 26)...
If you have been moved by this entreaty...just lift your hand right now...with every head bowed and every eye closed... "Thank you, brother," "Thank you, sister" Many, many hands being raised across the www... Let's all come forward at this time...
Now singing, "Can't nobody do me like Jesus" (times 54)...
transitioning from "Can't Nobody" to
"Comin' down, down, down, coming down, down, down,
this thread needs to come down.....
(now with a growl in the voice)
comin' DOWN, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN....I said DOWN...LAWD HELP US.......DOWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNN...
oops, got carried away in the spirit.
RevBuddy, my heart is feeling heavy. Those that didn't surrender just might get serious carpal tunnel if they continue to use their keypad for war. If I was them, I would be afraid to walk..I mean stroke away from the altar.
Well, I've been reading this post for over an hour!
Pelathais, if you had not missread Steadfast's post, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. I knew exactly what he was saying, the first time I read it.
If you think for one minute that we are not having trouble with some of our young people 'experimenting' with alcohol and fornication, think again. It seems rampant in some areas. Sad, but true.
Nice to see you defending the UPCI! Why the change of heart? Glad to see it.........
Thank you Sarah. And no, I don't feel that I "misread" his post. The alcohol and fornication that you mention is sadly a problem everywhere, and from what I have been able to determine, it's been a problem at least since the days that the apostles' wrote about it.
What I objected to was the inference that these things are openly tolerated. The idea that a pastor was using someone on the platform who was "shacking up with young men" and such. This was given as an example of the things that cause the Tulsa men to feel "almost pushed out" about.
As far as a "change of heart" maybe you're just getting to know me better. I have criticized the UPC and probably will continue to have opinions about them for a long time to come. However, from my perspective, the cases of "tolerating sin" have always been isolated cases and kept under wraps by those at the local level. In just about every case such as this, the real victim ended up being the UPC itself. I have advocated speaking out about these cases.
I have also confessed the hurt that I brought to my own DS many years ago when I simply walked away and kept silent about an issue. At the time I thought that I was doing what I was "supposed" to do. Speaking up would have caused a real mess in a local church. As it was, the mess was found out any way; but by not trusting my DS I made his job a lot harder.
To my knowledge there has never been any district wide "conspiracy" to support or promote those enmired in sin, or even cases of young people living in sin leaving one church to go and minister on the platform of another "without ever backsliding" and where this was supported by a pastor. I simply question whether that happened. Did the pastor really know about it? Or is this just a dispute between two preachers about punishment and restoration? Tarring the UPC over such a dispute is wrong, in my view.
There has been and also will be a healthy debate about restoration and punishment, but I have never seen the org. as a whole commit itself to promoting sin. I'm willing to be surprised by any evidence to the contrary, but until then I remain skeptical about it based upon my experience in working at just about every level of the UPC, both within districts and at WEC.
They're not perfect. But they won't knowingly put up with sin either.
These were selected in some fashion by the those meeting before the Tulsa meeting last week. Presumably after their terms expire there will be elections.
Some one mentioned a discussion on another board that said that the "Chairman" would be elected by the other Executive Council members. There was also a complicated system whereby an incumbent would "sit out" for two years after a term before becoming elligible again. Sounded like a way to mix up and rotate the leadership positions.
These were selected in some fashion by the those meeting before the Tulsa meeting last week. Presumably after their terms expire there will be elections.
Some one mentioned a discussion on another board that said that the "Chairman" would be elected by the other Executive Council members. There was also a complicated system whereby an incumbent would "sit out" for two years after a term before becoming elligible again. Sounded like a way to mix up and rotate the leadership positions.
nice.
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