The UPCI Needs a Healer

Originally Posted by tv1a

The definition of compromise is exactly what was done when the upic supported the internet.

The 2005 upci manual almost word for word says the same thing about television and the internet except the internet was accepted and television wasn't.

The same principle for television should apply to the internet. Legalism favorite two words is "Yeah, but....".

Compromise does not always mean one goes back on what one believes. Compromise also means to sacrifice one's principles for the sake of convenience. That is what the legalists did with the internet. Biggest mistake legalists ever made was to support internet. It opened the door for the passing of the tv resolution.

i couldnt have said it better.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The definition of compromise is exactly what was done when the upic supported the internet.

The 2005 upci manual almost word for word says the same thing about television and the internet except the internet was accepted and television wasn't.

The same principle for television should apply to the internet. Legalism favorite two words is "Yeah, but....".

Compromise does not always mean one goes back on what one believes. Compromise also means to sacrifice one's principles for the sake of convenience. That is what the legalists did with the internet. Biggest mistake legalists ever made was to support internet. It opened the door for the passing of the tv resolution.

BINGO! This is right on the money!

That's why it's wrong for women to wear pants, unless they're skiing in the winter time, and then they should wear a dress OVER the pants.

And, it's wrong for men to wear beards, unless it's the Easter or Christmas play.

And, it's wrong to own a TV, but ok to watch one in a hotel room.

Too many inconsistencies.........people lose faith in the principle when they see it so loosely interpreted.

[Pastor G]

meBNme, I copied and put this little paragraph you wrote from a couple of posts earlier... It was a real long one so I just did it this way to keep it short... I respect your beliefs totally... But wanted to give you just a point of information in regards to this paragraph..

Yes, that's what I meant exactly. With one exception.
I agree that the Internet has the potential to be more dangerous. But it also has more methods to filter, block and limit the content that is available. If all these Are in place, it is far more manageable than TV.
How many times have you been watching a show, or movie, that seems perfectly fine, only to be blasted half way through with partial nudity, and/or a slew of F words and GDs? Even on PG13 rated media.

Almost, if not every TV service provider in our area has built into their system, a parental control that you may use, if you wish, to filter your TV.. You can filter it to where nothing but G rated programs and commercials are seen, on up to pg - pg 13 ect... You may also totally block any stations you wish... If you have a g rated block on and a commercial or program is coming on that is above that the screen goes blank or says blocked on it... It even applies to the news...

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Pastor G

meBNme, I copied and put this little paragraph you wrote from a couple of posts earlier... It was a real long one so I just did it this way to keep it short... I respect your beliefs totally... But wanted to give you just a point of information in regards to this paragraph..

Yes, that's what I meant exactly. With one exception.
I agree that the Internet has the potential to be more dangerous. But it also has more methods to filter, block and limit the content that is available. If all these Are in place, it is far more manageable than TV.
How many times have you been watching a show, or movie, that seems perfectly fine, only to be blasted half way through with partial nudity, and/or a slew of F words and GDs? Even on PG13 rated media.

Almost, if not every TV service provider in our area has built into their system, a parental control that you may use, if you wish, to filter your TV.. You can filter it to where nothing but G rated programs and commercials are seen, on up to pg - pg 13 ect... You may also totally block any stations you wish... If you have a g rated block on and a commercial or program is coming on that is above that the screen goes blank or says blocked on it... It even applies to the news...

This is true, TV and movies can be filtered, just as effectively as the internet.
You can have TVG on your equipment to filter out all objectionable language, on broadcast, cable and rented movies. We have had it for over 15 years, and continue it today even though our children are grown. It is still important to be selective on what you watch even with the filtering. When we are in Christ there is so much in the world in general that does not appeal to us or interest us. Hollywood can dish up all the garbage that it likes, but we're just not hungry.

[meBNme]

Pastor G and Crakjak

That is very interesting info, and if true and available and it would make TV just as manageable as the web, then I see no problem with it.

Could you provide more info on how one can get these things?

If it's reliable, and removes all of the inapropriate content, then it is removing what made TV banned in the first place.
I would reevaluate my position if I were convinced it was effective.

[Pastor G]

Originally Posted by meBNme

Pastor G and Crakjak

That is very interesting info, and if true and available and it would make TV just as manageable as the web, then I see no problem with it.

Could you provide more info on how one can get these things?

If it's reliable, and removes all of the inapropriate content, then it is removing what made TV banned in the first place.
I would reevaluate my position if I were convinced it was effective.

I don't know what tv service providers are available there in your area... There is a plethora of providers here... I will send you a private message of some of the ones here and you can check there...

[meBNme]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

BINGO! This is right on the money!

That's why it's wrong for women to wear pants, unless they're skiing in the winter time, and then they should wear a dress OVER the pants.

Ummm isn't it then considered underwear? Its just long and warm instead of short and lacy. If the skirt comes of, its no longer under wear, its outerwear.

And, it's wrong for men to wear beards, unless it's the Easter or Christmas play.

I'm not sure about other churches, but in our church, we do not wear our own natural beards any time of the year. For drama's, we will wear a costume beard thats no different from the turban or headwrap part of the costume. I see it no differently as wearing black face paint to portray a demonic spirit in a drama.

And, it's wrong to own a TV, but ok to watch one in a hotel room.

Who said that?

Too many inconsistencies.........people lose faith in the principle when they see it so loosely interpreted.

Then their faith is in the wrong place. It shouldnt matter what someone else does. If someone elses inconsitancies cause ones faith to fail, then they had their faith in the "someone else" instead of the word of God.
Even Paul himself said, if any man (including himself) preach another gospel, let him be accursed.

So if someone preaches that you should not gargle with green mouthwash, and then they gargel with green mouthwash, are you going to throw the towel in and go drink some jack daniels?
No, you just realize that people are imperfect humans, we must place our faith in the word of God, and keep on living what we believe to be right.(you might change pastors however LOL)

The bible says to make sure your own salvation.
You can't live by the law, you must live by love.
If you live by love, it wouldnt matter if Kenneth Haney came to general confrence wearing a too too and thigh highs with a long blond wig, shouting about gay rights. You would just chalk him up as a fruit loop and keep living for God anyways. Now if your faith was in an orginization, or a man, then yeah, eventually somone WILL let you down, and you will falter.

[Whole Hearted]

The UPC has needed a healer for a while now.

The symptoms where ignore, just like many people do, until it is too late.

I cancer is detected early it can be dealt with and the person might be saved, but if ignored it kills.

This is what has happened in the UPC. There were some that voiced concerns, but they were told that it was nothing to worry about. Now we see that the UPC was sick and now maybe even unto death.

The UPC needs a HEALER AND MAYBE NEEDS TO BE RESERECTED.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

The UPC has needed a healer for a while now.

The symptoms where ignore, just like many people do, until it is too late.

I cancer is detected early it can be dealt with and the person might be saved, but if ignored it kills.

This is what has happened in the UPC. There were some that voiced concerns, but they were told that it was nothing to worry about. Now we see that the UPC was sick and now maybe even unto death.

The UPC needs a HEALER AND MAYBE NEEDS TO BE RESERECTED.

Do you REALLY believe this?

Just because it doesn't line up exactly like you want it to you think it will die?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by meBNme

Pastor G and Crakjak

That is very interesting info, and if true and available and it would make TV just as manageable as the web, then I see no problem with it.

Could you provide more info on how one can get these things?

If it's reliable, and removes all of the inapropriate content, then it is removing what made TV banned in the first place.
I would reevaluate my position if I were convinced it was effective.

TVG is available from Family Bookstores. Some cable companies are currently looking into making TVG available with their services.

AKA TV Guardian. Bought one for my son and DIL for Christmas after they were married, the love it. Cost is about $100.