Lee Stoneking Addresses UN

[mfblume]

Zeep, you're a muslim aren't you?

YOU TELL ME what Jesus meant when He said no man comes to the Father by by Him. Don't just say MY interpretation is wrong, and instead say what YOU claim it means. What's YOUR interpretation?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

All talk and no evidence presented, I am not the arbiter. I repeat what the bible said in plain terms. That's why you show no evidence because your claim cannot stand if you try.

We were told, more than once, to take this to the debate room. You can stay in here and fling taunts and hide behind the mods like a schoolgirl behind her mamas dress or take it in there.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Zeep, you're a muslim aren't you?

YOU TELL ME what Jesus meant when He said no man comes to the Father by by Him. Don't just say MY interpretation is wrong, and instead say what YOU claim it means. What's YOUR interpretation?

your interpretation is fine; and for all i know, your application is, too. I do not know how you might actually act toward someone you judge to be "lost," and that is what matters. The Forms, "Christian, Muslim..." are irrelevant to the purpose, if they are not adhered to; i have just been witness that most Muslims seem to be better than us. Something to do with suffering producing humility i guess.

i just read in Scripture where one can have technically perfect interpretations and still be lost, when they put themselves in the position of God, as we all do, and feel confident enough to judge others based upon their rhetoric or their dogma. We all seek the most self-serving definitions, as a rule, and then compound the sin by demanding that others adhere to them; when we cannot even agree upon who "sons of God" are in Genesis?

and i see that i haven't done this very well; i have no desire to judge anyone else based upon words, either. so, a link to this "debate" if someone would, ty.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

your interpretation is fine; and for all i know, your application is, too. I do not know how you might actually act toward someone you judge to be "lost," and that is what matters.

Wow, you spoke here opposite to what you had been stating judging me as unloving, while admitting now that you did that when you DID NOT EVEN KNOW HOW I WOULD TREAT A PERSON I considered lost.

I'll tell you that I would treat YOU AND WALKS as gentlemen as much as I would someone who agreed with everything I believed. I believe that what we think of a person's salvation DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH OUR MANDATE TO PREFER THEM BETTER THAN OURSELVES.

You've not read me say ONE THING about either of you that shows I think I am better than you as a person.

The Forms, "Christian, Muslim..." are irrelevant to the purpose, if they are not adhered to; i have just been witness that most Muslims seem to be better than us. Something to do with suffering producing humility i guess.

Until you meet me in person and not simply read these pixels on a screen, you are judging if you say I am unloving. Jesus was FULL OF GRACE and LOVE. And he made harsh statements, but they were OBJECTIVE.

i just read in Scripture where one can have technically perfect interpretations and still be lost, when they put themselves in the position of God, as we all do, and feel confident enough to judge others based upon their rhetoric or their dogma. We all seek the most self-serving definitions, as a rule, and then compound the sin by demanding that others adhere to them; when we cannot even agree upon who "sons of God" are in Genesis?

When I repeatedly say GOD JUDGED MUSLIMS AS LOST and tell you what He said, that is not putting myself up as God. I would direct you to ME, not HIS WORD. Unbelievable.

and i see that i haven't done this very well; i have no desire to judge anyone else based upon words, either. so, a link to this "debate" if someone would, ty.

I don't judge either. God's word already did and I relate what it said and every Christian who accepts the whole bible concludes the same. Count them!

Like I said elsewhere, Walks REJECTED Phil 2:8-11 since HE KNOWS if Paul was right then he is lost. At least Walks knows you cannot believe Paul's statement and think Muslims are saved. Your'e not that honest to deal with it.

AND ONCE AGAIN, though I asked over and over again, YOU ARE NOT telling me what THE VERSES I STATED REALLY MEAN if I am misinterpreting them. Hello? lol

[mfblume]

Does Phil 2:8-11 means Muslims are lost or not?

Tell us!

Give us YOUR interpretation! Show me how Phil 2:8-11 is NOT saying muslims are lost, as well as many other religious adherents, regardless of how honest and sincere they are.

[Sister Alvear]

Believe on the LORD JESUS CHRIST and thou shalt be saved.....no plainer than that....

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Believe on the LORD JESUS CHRIST and thou shalt be saved.....no plainer than that....

Amen.

And how is it judging to say people are lost if they don't believe on Jesus?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

so wadr you show that you do not understand what "arbitrate" means, when you condemn someone to hell, and then say you have not arbitrated. Very hard to discuss anything with someone who has two sets of definitions for every concept...

that, again, is not true. Bro Mike was referencing what the bible teaches.

[Praxeas]

take it to the debate room