Noah and the Ark

[AR Pastor]

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

[Sean]

NFS, The Lord Jesus will reveal to you that he is God in a terrible way, if you continue to attack the faith of these saints. Its OK to complain about broken stuff that needs to be fixed, but you are crossing the line of departure of the Holy Ghost with what you are doing. I have witnessed this stuff first hand in my life. I would advise you to go punch a wall or something before you post your stuff. Matt 12:37...For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.



I am not trying to put religious fear in you at all. I can write a book on tragic stuff that folks doing what your doing to the saints(some new converts), that have tried to drag folks out of their faith with them.


If you once had the actual Holy Ghost at one time, it can be worse than your average sinner's judgement.

That brother that turned you over to Satan is your warning. When Satan gets done with you, 7 more wicked spirits will come in you.(if you once had the Holy Ghost)...


24"When the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and not finding any, it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came.' 25"And when it comes, it finds it swept and put in order. 26"Then it goes and takes along seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first."

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Sean

NFS, The Lord Jesus will reveal to you that he is God in a terrible way, if you continue to attack the faith of these saints. Its OK to complain about broken stuff that needs to be fixed, but you are crossing the line of departure of the Holy Ghost with what you are doing. I have witnessed this stuff first hand in my life. I would advise you to go punch a wall or something before you post your stuff. Matt 12:37...For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.



I am not trying to put religious fear in you at all. I can write a book on tragic stuff that folks doing what your doing to the saints(some new converts), that have tried to drag folks out of their faith with them.

If you once had the actual Holy Ghost at one time, it can be worse than your average sinner's judgement.

That brother that turned you over to Satan is your warning. When Satan gets done with you, 7 more wicked spirits will come in you.(if you once had the Holy Ghost)...

You are in Religious bondage, a very sad dilemma to be in, just like the Scribes and Pharisees. Using fear to motivate anyone to believe in a lie is clearly seen in your statement, something I consider to be a deep offense with God.

What's even more sad, is you believe that people will burn in Hell for Eternity because they don't follow your idea about Faith.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

And....

[n david]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Again, no proof about your so called, Miracle, and, no proof that I use Spectral Evidence to validate truth.

I have proof. As I posted, there are Dr's notes, test results and other health-related documents. Understand, I'm not one who runs around calling everything a miracle. A friend of mine was diagnosed with cancer and went through rigorous chemo treatments. After months of treatments, the Dr's said the cancer was gone. He's been healthy now for almost two years and has had a few checkups which confirm he's cancer-free. I don't call this a miracle, but believe God gave him strength and healing through the treatments.

That which I do call miracles are things which happen without any help from medication, treatments, etc. And which have notes, test results and other docs to show it was a miracle.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

And, there were no Witches at the Salem Witch Trials. 19 innocent people were murdered, and hundreds imprisoned over Spectral (unseen) Evidence.

I never said there were witches at the Salem Witch trial, did I? I said a witness claimed that the spirit of a witch appeared in a dream. (This per your favorite scientific source, Wikipedia)

"Spectral evidence was testimony that the accused witch's spirit (i.e. spectre) appeared to the witness in a dream or vision (for example, a black cat or wolf). The dream or vision was admitted as evidence."

Wiki Article

Originally Posted by NotforSale

You also claim your belief system is better than mine, which is obvious in your post. You call me, blind, humanistic, condescending, narcissistic, and dumb (a word not allowed on this Forum).

Read again, "dumb" was used to describe Spectral Evidence, not you. And yes, I do believe you to be blind, humanistic, condescending and narcissistic.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

We are all sinners there, Mr. Righteous.

Never said we weren't. Nor did I, or do I, claim to be righteous.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

You are in Religious bondage, a very sad dilemma to be in, just like the Scribes and Pharisees. Using fear to motivate anyone to believe in a lie is clearly seen in your statement, something I consider to be a deep offense with God.

What's even more sad, is you believe that people will burn in Hell for Eternity because they don't follow your idea about Faith.

You should be terrified, do you realize what you are doing?.....spirits are speaking faithlessness to these brethren THROUGH you. If the Lord used to speak through you, but now spirits do...its all bad.



This is an example of a man that tried to hinder someones faith in the Lord...And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Sean

You should be terrified, do you realize what you are doing?.....spirits are speaking faithlessness to these brethren THROUGH you. If the Lord used to speak through you, but now spirits do...its all bad.

I'm not terrified, I'm liberated from the lies you believe. I don't discourage anyone when I tell them the truth.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Every one of those emotions requires, and is, in response to physical presence, and they have no life without it.

What about those who have nightmares and are filled with terror even though there is no physical reason or dreams that fill one with happiness or what of hope that is simply the expectation that things will get better and requires no evidence? Emotions need nothing but the mind for life and as both philosophy and science have yet to prove that the mind even exist how can you believe in it. As one famous atheist said "we only think that we think" .

Originally Posted by NotforSale

These emotions are energy which can also be validated by the individual, and can be measured as a whole in Society.

So energy and emotions are one and the same. In light of that please explain paralyzing fear or the feeling of being drained of all energy?

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Fear is Fear, whether you are Religious or not. Love is Love, whether you live in America now or in the past. Joy is felt by the Atheist and the Agnostic. Anger is seen in a Dictators speech or in a man who is protecting his Family from violence.

God is God weather you are religious or not. It does not matter where you live or have lived God is still God.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Experience will validate Truth.

Then how do you not discount all of the religious experience of people here and other places?

Originally Posted by NotforSale

No offense, but your argument is a moot point in this discussion, because everyone knows they have emotions that exist, regardless of who they are.

There is great debate as to weather or not emotions or even the mind actually exist. There is no physical evidence with which one can definitely prove the actual existance of emotions. Please explain irrational fear. With all due respect your argument is moot and void since you have no physical evidence to offer us.

Bump

[Sean]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I'm not terrified, I'm liberated from the lies you believe. I don't discourage anyone when I tell them the truth.

Well it is crossing invisible sacred lines to the Lord to "steal" the faith of other believers. Your arrogance toward something sacred as faith in the Lord Jesus will be your downfall.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by n david

I have proof. As I posted, there are Dr's notes, test results and other health-related documents. Understand, I'm not one who runs around calling everything a miracle. A friend of mine was diagnosed with cancer and went through rigorous chemo treatments. After months of treatments, the Dr's said the cancer was gone. He's been healthy now for almost two years and has had a few checkups which confirm he's cancer-free. I don't call this a miracle, but believe God gave him strength and healing through the treatments.

That which I do call miracles are things which happen without any help from medication, treatments, etc. And which have notes, test results and other docs to show it was a miracle.

I never said there were witches at the Salem Witch trial, did I? I said a witness claimed that the spirit of a witch appeared in a dream. (This per your favorite scientific source, Wikipedia)

"Spectral evidence was testimony that the accused witch's spirit (i.e. spectre) appeared to the witness in a dream or vision (for example, a black cat or wolf). The dream or vision was admitted as evidence."

Wiki Article

Read again, "dumb" was used to describe Spectral Evidence, not you. And yes, I do believe you to be blind, humanistic, condescending and narcissistic.

Never said we weren't. Nor did I, or do I, claim to be righteous.

Another post of a Religious critic that bears no facts. You my friend, are blind to your own doings and maybes. Why not just admit that you don't know, rather than spread rumors about something that simply can't be proven.

You said, "Again, no need of your dumb Spectral Evidence. No dreams or visions of witches here." I'll say it again, there were no Witches at the Salem Witch Trials.