The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Mi paz os dejo, mi paz os doy ... no como el mundo la da .. No se turbe vuestro corazon ni tenga miedo ...

AMEN! y gracias!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I don't consider CS a freaky con... not yet that is..(lol) Why he would state something that evidence suggests otherwise.
My last question is not really a rhetorical question. Evidence shows there is a lot of history that is supressed. I may not agree w/ TF and his views, but there is no doubt there is an element of the upci that many would attempt to sweep under the rug. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I understand the victors have a right to write history in their favor. One cannot deny historical revisionism has taken place w/ the history of upci.

Well TV ... thanks for speaking truth.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Mi paz os dejo, mi paz os doy ... no como el mundo la da .. No se turbe vuestro corazon ni tenga miedo ...

1Co 14:27-28 KJVR
(27) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
(28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.



Ay-yo Danny.... shaddayoface!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Ronzo

1Co 14:27-28 KJVR
(27) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
(28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.



Ay-yo Danny.... shaddayoface!

ay .. I thought you stepped away from all biblical principles ... How's Baal doing???

Originally Posted by Ronzo

1Co 14:27-28 KJVR
(27) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
(28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.



Ay-yo Danny.... shaddayoface!

it is only unknown to you... and you live in Austin... for shame for shame1

Originally Posted by philjones

it is only unknown to you... and you live in Austin... for shame for shame1

GRRR!!!!

[Truly Blessed]

The reason I don't believe the PAJC position on salvation is it simply isn't true.

It's not consistent with what is presented in the Bible.

It's not consistent with the obvious operation of the Spirit in the lives of those who lived during those years prior to the so called PAJC revelation of truth.

It's not consistent with my own personal experience with God.

It's not consistent with the experience of millions of Christians who come to faith in Christ and have a genuine spiritual transformation.

On the other hand, label it whatever you want, what I believe and teach is consistent with all of the above.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

The reason I don't believe the PAJC position on salvation is it simply isn't true.

It's not consistent with what is presented in the Bible.

It's not consistent with the obvious operation of the Spirit in the lives of those who lived during those years prior to the so called PAJC revelation of truth.

It's not consistent with my own personal experience with God.

It's not consistent with the experience of millions of Christians who come to faith in Christ and have a genuine spiritual transformation.

On the other hand, label it whatever you want, what I believe and teach is consistent with all of the above.

I was about to write this thread off as having lost any semblance of substance and then you bring it on! Good post.

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

The reason I don't believe the PAJC position on salvation is it simply isn't true.

It's not consistent with what is presented in the Bible.

It's not consistent with the obvious operation of the Spirit in the lives of those who lived during those years prior to the so called PAJC revelation of truth.

It's not consistent with my own personal experience with God.

It's not consistent with the experience of millions of Christians who come to faith in Christ and have a genuine spiritual transformation.

On the other hand, label it whatever you want, what I believe and teach is consistent with all of the above.

Hey TB. Good to see you my friend.

Thanks for wording it so well.

[Brother Price]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

The reason I don't believe the PAJC position on salvation is it simply isn't true.

It's not consistent with what is presented in the Bible.

It's not consistent with the obvious operation of the Spirit in the lives of those who lived during those years prior to the so called PAJC revelation of truth.

It's not consistent with my own personal experience with God.

It's not consistent with the experience of millions of Christians who come to faith in Christ and have a genuine spiritual transformation.

On the other hand, label it whatever you want, what I believe and teach is consistent with all of the above.

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Mark 16:15-18)

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (1 Peter 3:21)

This is not about interpretation, but about biblical truth. The truth is here, in these verses. Many can bring interpretations and their ideas, but it comes down to what scriptures says, what Jesus said and commanded. Without the waters of baptism, we are not saved, period.