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[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Trousers were not common attire to the Levite unless he was rendering service in the tabernacle! The rest of the time he wore regular garments as did everyday people.

Excellent point.

I was going to go there once I got them to admit that the Levites wearing "breeches" didn't establish pants as common attire for all men in Judea. LOL

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Trousers were not common attire to the Levite unless he was rendering service in the tabernacle! The rest of the time he wore regular garments as did everyday people.

So, I guess it was cool for them to climb stairs up to their roof tops, climb a tree like Zacchaeus. Because showing the world your nakedness was ok as long as it was secular. I love you my brother, just think about the conclusion of your statement? When Jesus, the apostles and the crowd saw Zacchaeus up in the tree. They saw a lot more than his face.

Too funny.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Actually, the New Testament gives us enough to admonish against cross dressing:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate (woman like), nor abusers of themselves with mankind (homosexuals),
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

The word "effeminate" means:

Effeminate
ef·fem·i·nate.
[əˈfemənət]
ADJECTIVE
(of a man) having or showing characteristics regarded as typical of a woman; unmanly.
synonyms: womanish · effete · foppish · unmanly · feminine · camp · campy · flaming

So, a man dressing like a lady in any manner would be effeminate.

The Greek word is μαλακός which means soft. It is found not only in 1st Corinthians 6:9, but also Matthew 11:8, and Luke 7:25 to refer to the attire of kings. Should we therefore take Jesus' words in Matthew 11:8, and Luke 7:25 to be a prohibition against the royal colobium coronation robes? Was Jesus calling suggesting that kings were effeminate? But looking for some honesty from your research would be slim. Why give us the English definition of the word when they actually used the Greek? Anyway, the Greek word is used in its context in 1st Corinthians 6:9 to show homosexuality, not attire.
Paul was dealing with adulterers, and homosexuals, may also be referring to pedophila. Not crossdressing. You want to find crossdressing? Use the Bible that Jesus and His apostles used, the Old Testament.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm glad. I know there are good churches out there. The church I was saved in was VERY strict. At first, the pastor left you hungering for the standards. After a while though, things changed. It became a loveless demand.

This church is no longer around?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I might be all wrong on what I am about to say, and if so I'm sure someone will straighten me out .

The desire for holiness of spirit so that you can hunger and thirst for God and be used by him leads to people wanting to be separate from the world (the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life)

God leads and guides us into a closer walk with him and that includes coming out from the world and being separate from worldliness.

The problem with outward standards is that when you dictate standards that are not coming from a persons heart it breeds resentment and hypocrisy and you have defeated the purpose.

On the other hand if the church is consumed with the world there is a quenching and grieving and stifling of the Spirit.

So, along with the teaching of word must come prayer and fasting and a moving of the Holy Ghost that will give people a desire to cast off the world and serve God with all their hearts.

Sometimes you see it plainly for yourself and you follow out of obedience to the word, sometimes you follow your pastor because you trust him to be watching for your soul.

And sometimes you concede that some things like no beards or wearing red are just plain silly.

Sometimes it takes patience and bearing with each other in love.

You nailed it.

No Holy Ghost leading you through prayer? Then you are being led by a spirit who will beat the snot out of you and send you marching back into the house to get changed. Jesus told the pharisees that they looked beautiful on the outside but inside they were rotting corpses. This isn't even about standards, even when standards are flushed down the toilet. The cancer is still there, it just moves to another part of the religious mantra. The far right swings all the way to the far left. But they still take who they really are along with them. Demonic activity still hard at work, it just disguises itself as "we don't judge," we don't condemn," "we love unconditionally" But wait till you disagree with them on whatever pet peeve they adopted to replace their "standard" addiction. Hulk Smash!

Sister, only through the power of the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues as the Holy Spirit gives the utterance. Can a soul even begin to change. Anything else is just the devil dressed up in a three piece suit and his wife long sleeves and a bun. It might look like cookies and cream, but in reality it is Iron Man and War Machine.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So, I guess it was cool for them to climb stairs up to their roof tops, climb a tree like Zacchaeus. Because showing the world your nakedness was ok as long as it was secular. I love you my brother, just think about the conclusion of your statement? When Jesus, the apostles and the crowd saw Zacchaeus up in the tree. They saw a lot more than his face.

Too funny.

No one ever said any of that.

The general idea is that there was to be special care taken by the high priest to cover his nakedness in the holy place.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The Greek word is μαλακός which means soft. It is found not only in 1st Corinthians 6:9, but also Matthew 11:8, and Luke 7:25 to refer to the attire of kings. Should we therefore take Jesus' words in Matthew 11:8, and Luke 7:25 to be a prohibition against the royal colobium coronation robes? Was Jesus calling suggesting that kings were effeminate? But looking for some honesty from your research would be slim. Why give us the English definition of the word when they actually used the Greek? Anyway, the Greek word is used in its context in 1st Corinthians 6:9 to show homosexuality, not attire.
Paul was dealing with adulterers, and homosexuals, may also be referring to pedophila. Not crossdressing. You want to find crossdressing? Use the Bible that Jesus and His apostles used, the Old Testament.

Are you saying that cross dressers aren't "soft" and "effeminate"?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

No one ever said any of that.

The general idea is that there was to be special care taken by the high priest to cover his nakedness in the holy place.

Amen, therefore in secular life you can let it all hang out?

That's what I can never get use to in religion. Logic goes right out the window.

Whatever.

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe that either the entire Law is in play, or none of it is in play. Either one must obey the entire Law, or one is elevated in Christ into a Grace that is above the Law.

Now, Grace is not lawlessness. The law of Grace is love. And the commandments of this law are:

1.) Love God with all your being.
2.) Love others as yourself.

In loving others we demonstrate our love for God. For love fulfills the whole Law.

Does this mean that some things under the Law of Moses are now permissible? Yes. Does it mean that some seemingly innocent and permissible things are now sin? Yes. For love, the agape kind of love, divine love, fulfills the spirit and intent of the whole Law and demands infinitely more. Frankly, the Law of Moses is too low of a standard. It is a pathetic, basement level of carnal righteousness when compared to love, which is the Law of Christ, the Law of Liberty.

Wearing skirts down to your ankles doesn't prove that you love God more than the woman wearing pants. In fact, many women who wear pants love God more than those who only wear skirts and dresses. Head coverings don't prove one loves God more than women who don't wear head coverings. Eating fish on Friday proves nothing. Refusing to eat a ham sandwich or shrimp scampi means nothing. Many who do eat these things love God as much or more than those who don't.

What proves to God how much we love Him? Visiting the orphan and the widow. Feeding the hungry, giving water to those who thirst, clothing the naked, loving one another, loving our enemies, preaching the Gospel...living and loving as a living extension of Jesus Himself.

That is true holiness.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Are you saying that cross dressers aren't "soft" and "effeminate"?

Bro, I am telling you what the Bible says.

You are still that standards dude, only now you walk around your front yard in your underwear and flip flops.