Why I Am A Futurist - Page 72

thephnxman · #**711** 03-07-2015, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I think it's rather simple. The body is the issue. And the only thing not made new in our beings is our bodies. Our spirits were made new at new birth. The only thing made new, by the way. And our souls are being renewed now. And our bodies shall be made new.
It goes along with 2 Cor 5.

Amen. "...be you transformed by the renewing of your mind..."

The body bears witness whether the mind is being renewed...or not. For by its
actions, we can tell who the body obeying: the Spirit or the flesh.
Some will say by its fruit, but there can be no good fruit without the Spirit!

Sean · #**712** 03-07-2015, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by thephnxman

?????

Are you intimating that Adam and Eve ate of the Tree of Life BEFORE they ate
of the forbidden tree?

Where'd you get them apples?

Yes I am...

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil....

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But(exception) of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.(this tree was the ONLY exception to not eat in the entire garden)

Only the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil was forbidden by God to eat.

If you had access to eat of the tree of life and live forever, would you eat of it?

mfblume · #**713** 03-07-2015, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by thephnxman

Amen. "...be you transformed by the renewing of your mind..."

The body bears witness whether the mind is being renewed...or not. For by its
actions, we can tell who the body obeying: the Spirit or the flesh.
Some will say by its fruit, but there can be no good fruit without the Spirit!

Amen! We can tell if the branch of our lives is connected to the vine Christ by our fruit, or cut off in independence trying to bear fruit on our own, but instead bearing thorns and thistles. Trees of righteousness or cursed ground with thorns.

mfblume · #**714** 03-07-2015, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

well, see how both are true--fallen, and like gods now.

When God said the man has become one of us, the HEBREW denotes a mocking tone. "Yeah, you really succeeded, didn't you?"

thephnxman · #**715** 03-08-2015, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Yes I am...
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil....
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every treeof the garden thou mayest freely eat[/U]:
17 But(exception) of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.(this tree was the ONLY exception to not eat in the entire garden)
Only the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil was forbidden by God to eat.
If you had access to eat of the tree of life and live forever, would you eat of it?

A lot of scriptures there...but no evidence of eating of the tree of life.

Yes, the man was permitted to eat of EVERY tree, bar one; but remember,
Adam had an opportunity to eat of the tree of LIFE! Do you really believe
that had Adam eaten of the tree of life FIRST, he would also have eaten of
the forbidden tree? REALLY?
We know for a fact that he would have eaten of the tree of life AFTER eating
of the forbidden tree, for he was cast out of the garden for his own good.

Would YOU have eaten of the tree of life first if you had access? I do
think you are better than that!

shazeep · #**716** 03-08-2015, 06:31 AM

Seems like eating of the TofL would have inferred immortality to Adam--but he was like 130 when he had Seth, normal age for then. Young even

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen! We can tell if the branch of our lives is connected to the vine Christ by our fruit, or cut off in independence trying to bear fruit on our own, but instead bearing thorns and thistles. Trees of righteousness or cursed ground with thorns.

yup

shazeep · #**717** 03-08-2015, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

When God said the man has become one of us, the HEBREW denotes a mocking tone. "Yeah, you really succeeded, didn't you?"

really? never heard this one. Not sure how that tails with God's knowing that this would occur? Iow, the Fall was part of the plan, or no? Have to check that out, ty.

mfblume · #**718** 03-08-2015, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

really? never heard this one. Not sure how that tails with God's knowing that this would occur? Iow, the Fall was part of the plan, or no? Have to check that out, ty.

That's what the rabbis say about that passage.

mfblume · #**719** 03-08-2015, 08:08 AM

Gen 3:22 KJV And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Gill: behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; which is generally understood as an irony or sarcasm at man's deception by Satan, who promised man, and he expected to be as gods, knowing good and evil; behold the man, see how much like a god he looks, with his coat of skin upon his back, filled with shame and confusion for his folly, and dejected under a sense of what he had lost, and in a view of what he was sentenced to; yet must be understood not as rejoicing in man's misery, and insulting over him in it, but in order the more to convince him of his folly, and the more to humble him, and bring him to a more open repentance for affecting what he did, and giving credit to the devil in it:

Others claim the translation should be better as the Hebrew indicates this:

JFB: And God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us — not spoken in irony as is generally supposed, but in deep compassion. The words should be rendered, “Behold, what has become [by sin] of the man who was as one of us”! Formed, at first, in our image to know good and evil - how sad his condition now.

Sean · #**720** 03-08-2015, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by thephnxman

A lot of scriptures there...but no evidence of eating of the tree of life.

Yes, the man was permitted to eat of EVERY tree, bar one; but remember,
Adam had an opportunity to eat of the tree of LIFE! Do you really believe
that had Adam eaten of the tree of life FIRST, he would also have eaten of
the forbidden tree? REALLY?

Yes, of course.

We know for a fact that he would have eaten of the tree of life AFTER eating
of the forbidden tree, for he was cast out of the garden for his own good.

Would YOU have eaten of the tree of life first if you had access? I do
think you are better than that!

I would have absolutely eaten of the tree of life. It had life giving properties, and it was permitted to eat.
Why would Adam eat a banned tree and not a permitted tree?...WELL?