Noah and the Ark

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by pelathais

How about this...

Why doesn't one of the multi-billionaire TV evangelists simply build an exact replica of Noah's Ark?

Why? Because it simply can't be done.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/woodmorappe-review.html

Some folks have tried: http://www.godsark.org/Our_Ministry_Home.html
(see attached photo).

The building code enforcement folks won't allow a wooden structure to be built that has spans greater than 300 feet unless the whole thing is reinforced with a heavy steel I-beam frame work and reinforced concrete piering and caissons. You see all of that in the attached photo.

A literal interpretation of Genesis 6 leads us to believe that Noah's Ark was a free standing building for 120 years before the flood. Why can't anyone build such a building today?

The longest wooden ships ever built were the 9 masted schooners of a little over 100 years ago. These vessels approached the 300 foot limit for wooden structures and required steam driven pumps to pump out the water that continually flowed through the gaps in the planking. They were also restricted to inland routes and were never allowed to go into the open sea.

Wood is simply too flexible a material for such large ships and structures. You need a rigid material like steel for those large spans.

Of course, it would be easy to prove me wrong... if I was wrong. But nobody can. Nobody.

There simply was never a real vessel such as "Noah's Ark." Those who demand a literal reading of Genesis 1 through Genesis 11, do the inspired Bible a tremendous disservice and actually advance the cause of atheism.

[AR Pastor]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

You still believe in lies. I'm not an apostate, a reprobate, or a backslider. I'm a Human Being that does believe in God, just not your Religion.

You are a typical Religious fanatic that can't stand when people don't agree with your vain dogmas and Laws about Faith.

So you believe that the bible is the Word of God?????

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

So you believe that the bible is the Word of God?????

Ask Adam and Eve.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Since elephants "chew the cud" and do not "split the hoof" they would have probably been considered "clean animals" and there would have been seven of each (Genesis 7:2).

Moreover, there are approximately 150 different species of elephant known from the fossil record. This would mean that a literal reading of Noah's Ark would require at least 1050 such beasts. Just the amount of fresh water for these animals along with the dinosaurs would have out weighed the Ark's displacement and the whole affair would never have floated from its "dry dock."

Instead of looking for silly ways that this scenario might have played out literally, how about approaching the Scriptures with a fresh set of eyes and opinions and simply read the text for the truth that is there.

God's judgment and His grace are as certain today as they were thousands of years ago (much like the laws of physics). That is just one of the important messages we can get from this particular story.

We might also apply the words of Jesus after He told another parable: "Go and do thou likewise..." (Luke 10:37).

Obviously, we can't build the Ark - but we can learn from the lessons of the story and still follow in the steps of Noah's righteousness and faith just as we are commanded to follow the Good Samaritan's example of mercy - even though neither story ever literally happened.

[AR Pastor]

finally figured out the ignore thing.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

finally figured out the ignore thing.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Would a log raft the size of the ark work? (Asked by Prax)

No.

1) It doesn't fit the description of the ark in Genesis which had "decks."

2) The sheering forces of the wave action against the sides of a wooden raft of 300+ feet would be as strong as against the hull of a vessel. The wooden members would have rippled. Even when not moving under power, the 9 masted schooners were described and showing a "serpentine" action as the water broke across the length of the hulls. This opened huge gaps in the planking and caulking and required that the pumps be running at virtually all times. Wood is too flexible at these lengths.

3) The weight of the animals, food and fresh water requires displacement such as you can get from the hull of a ship.

4) The stability of a weighted raft would have been terrible.

5) The animals, humans and the food stuffs would all be exposed to the elements.

6) The raft itself would have moved like a serpent up and over the swells and troughs in the sea. This would have exposed both the Ark/Raft and its contents to even greater peril as the decking seperated and crushed back together again.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I'm confused. Are you saying you don't have a relationship with God? Did you ever?

I'm sorry to interrupt, but I would like to know the answer to this, NFS.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I'm sorry to interrupt, but I would like to know the answer to this, NFS.

To be honest, I don't know what a Relationship is that doesn't involve a physical interaction with the opposing party.

I attempted to force my mind to accept what others told me about God and Relationship, but IMO, Religion is a prison which attempts to put God behind the bars of their idea.

Too me, God is far bigger than a Book or a Religion.

[n david]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

You can see, hear, and feel the wind when it is filled with dust, blows trees down, and touches your face.

Your "Relationship" is nothing more than a Culturally based idea, not an actual Relationship. Look at my Profile picture; that is a Relationship of 34 years and God's intended purpose to gain understanding about life, love, and the hardships of life.

For me personally, my ideas about God come from what I see and experience, not what I'm told in a Religion that revels in Spectral Evidence, where people claim that God talks to them.

I have seen God heal. I have felt His presence. My relationship is not based on a cultural idea, it's not based on some Pastor, it's not based on your dumb Spectral Evidence, straw man nonsense. My relationship is real, and has brought me through a lot of hard times.

It's absurd that you bash everyone's belief in God but your own. You mock and laugh at those who, like me, believe in the Bible and have a relationship with God. Yet you turn around and post "my ideas about God come from what I see and experience..." How ironic! Because my ideas and beliefs of God and His Word come from what I have both seen and personally experienced.

And who the devil are you to try and tell me it's not real?