Angels reproducing with humans possible?

[mfblume]

We have evidence that angels ate food and appeared as men. Never women, by the way. It's just evidence. And that's all we know about them. NO more. But saying THEY BECOME HUMAN is pure speculation. Who said they did that? Who said God never created them to look like humans in the first place? Who said God never created them to be able to appear and disappear. To say they can change themselves to become human as though God never intended that to begin, with is too wildly speculative. Why create all these mentally gymnastical hoops to come to a conclusion that allows for angels having sex with humans? None of it is substantiated.

[Godsdrummer]

Speculation, Hmm, and yet when the angels came to Sodom and Gomorrah the men of the city wanted to have sexual relations with them. And evidently they must have had a substantial physical body enough that Lot though it was possible, else why would he offer his daughters to the men of the city, if he did not think it possible.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Speculation, Hmm, and yet when the angels came to Sodom and Gomorrah the men of the city wanted to have sexual relations with them. And evidently they must have had a substantial physical body enough that Lot though it was possible, else why would he offer his daughters to the men of the city, if he did not think it possible.

"...and lean not to your own understanding..."

Beloved, you must first understand that, save perhaps for Lot's house, the Sodomites '
minds were corrupted and devoid of God's will. Romans 1, teaches us that certain men
were so evil in their thinking that they were thrice rejected of God, (v. 23-28).....darkening
their hearts with their lust one for another. When the Sodomites saw the angels, they
could not discern them to be angels, and perhaps did not even care that they were male
or female, but only saw them as strangers whom they had not yet ravished!

The doctrines that do not rest on the foundation of the apostles, cannot possibly
have Jesus as their chief cornerstone!

[shazeep]

well, that was all BC, so i'm not finding any Apostles' Creed mixed up with this. Is there some that applies here?

Originally Posted by mfblume

How can you see Cain's lineage is not from Adam?

well, Adam's lineage is reckoned through Seth, and Cain is not in it. However, i don't know that this means any of Cain's are not also "ha Adam," but it does strike me as quite probable that since Cain was judged and marked, etc, that he would be disinherited and disavowed, also. Shouldn't be too hard to verify if Cain's progeny are "ha Adam" or not. My guess is no, but?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Angels never became human. Angels already had food long before...

Speaking of manna...

Psa 78:25 KJV Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full.

See Gen 19 and the "Men" that came and ate with Abraham...at least 2 were angels.

You do realize Psalms is poetic right?

[Praxeas]

1) Sons of God mated with human women Gen 6

2) all the other references to sons of God in the OT are angels

3) Angels appeared as humans and ate human food Gen 18 and 19

4) Angels left their former estate, left their proper dwelling place. Notice the grammar here and how the author connects angels with sexual immorality of Sodom?

Jud 1:6 And the angels who did not keep to their own domain but deserted their proper dwelling place, he has kept in eternal bonds under deep gloom for the judgment of the great day,
Jud 1:7 as Sodom and Gomorrah and the towns around them indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire in the same way as these, are exhibited as an example by undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

The word for dwelling place is the same as here

2Co 5:2 For indeed, in this house we groan, because we desire to put on our dwelling from heaven,

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Speculation, Hmm, and yet when the angels came to Sodom and Gomorrah the men of the city wanted to have sexual relations with them. And evidently they must have had a substantial physical body enough that Lot though it was possible, else why would he offer his daughters to the men of the city, if he did not think it possible.

LIKE

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, that was all BC, so i'm not finding any Apostles' Creed mixed up with this. Is there some that applies here?
well, Adam's lineage is reckoned through Seth, and Cain is not in it. However, i don't know that this means any of Cain's are not also "ha Adam," but it does strike me as quite probable that since Cain was judged and marked, etc, that he would be disinherited and disavowed, also. Shouldn't be too hard to verify if Cain's progeny are "ha Adam" or not. My guess is no, but?

Grace, was instituted before man was ever created, as well as BEFORE the Law of
Sin and Death,

Grace was instituted before the creation of man and the Law of Sin and Death, therefore it
has preeminence over both; however, the curse of death came after man's creation: signifying
that LIFE would have dominance over sin...and consequently, death!

No, the catholic "Apostles' Creed" is not mentioned in the Old Testament, but the doctrine
which the Lord gave the apostles and prophets are EVERYWHERE!

"...BE NOT WISE IN YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING..."

[shazeep]

ok, i have no understanding of whether or not Cain's may be reckoned as "ha Adam," which seems like the only way the passage will fit Mr Blume's hypothesis. Are you saying that God's grace allows for this?

[Sean]

Loren, were the angels naked?

What makes you think the men of the city could have seen if they had something to rape(under their garments)?

I mean, did these angels use the outhouse?

Did Jesus use the outhouse those 40 days after the resurrection before He ascended(after eating with His disciples?)...He appeared human.


Is there an outhouse in heaven...LOL