All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

You delt with nothing. Simply posting a short one liner alleging that the verse was speaking of the gifts of the Spirit isn't 'dealing' with it.

Once more....

1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

How an anyone say that Jesus is Lord? Only by the Holy Spirit.

I didn't merely post a short one liner. I backed it up by posting the context.

You've consistently avoided including the context AND ignoring all the verses, more than one, that shows belief is a prerequisite for receiving the Spirit

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.

Paul is teaching on the gifts. He says "I do not want you to be uninformed."

Paul demonstrates his intent in the first verse to INFORM them on the gifts. He then reminds them of their ignorance as pagans, serving mute idols. Idols that did not speak,

1Co 12:3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says "Jesus is accursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit.

Paul continues "therefore". This word is a conjuction. Conjuctions tie in two related ideas. Essentially it means "because of what I just said. the following is true". "Therefore" means "for this reason" or "because of that"

It's called a Logical Inferential.
inferential — A coordinating conjunction that conveys a deduction, conclusion, summary, or inference to the preceding discussion. Examples include ἄρα, γάρ, and διότι).

Heiser, M. S. (2005). Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology. Logos Bible Software.

The word "understand" is gnōrizō, which means "to make known"...what did Paul make known? What did Paul start out saying he did not want them to not be uninformed? The Spiritual gifts

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.

Paul then goes on to instruct more on the gifts and explain why and how it is one speaking by the Spirit of God CAN'T curse Christ but can only life Christ up as Lord....because the gifts are ordained by the Spirit of God not dumb idols

1Co 12:4 Now there are different gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are different ministries, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are different results, but the same God who produces all of them in everyone

Then you'll notice that many of the gifts have to do with speaking
Words of knowledge. Words of Wisdom. Tongues. Interpretation of tongues and Prophesy.

From chapter 12 to 14 Paul covers the gifts, particularly speaking gifts and our motivation for gifts being Love and the edifying of others. He was addressing the proper use of and the improper and selfish misuse of the gifts.

The topic was not becoming believers

[Praxeas]

Believing precedes receiving
Joh 7:39 Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Act 8:13 Even Simon himself believed, and after being baptized he continued with Philip. And seeing signs and great miracles performed, he was amazed.
Act 8:14 Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John,
Act 8:15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit,
Act 8:16 for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 8:17 Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit.

Act 19:2 And he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."

Gal 3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't merely post a short one liner. I backed it up by posting the context.

You've consistently avoided including the context AND ignoring all the verses, more than one, that shows belief is a prerequisite for receiving the Spirit

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.

Paul is teaching on the gifts. He says "I do not want you to be uninformed."

Paul demonstrates his intent in the first verse to INFORM them on the gifts. He then reminds them of their ignorance as pagans, serving mute idols. Idols that did not speak,

1Co 12:3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says "Jesus is accursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit.

Paul continues "therefore". This word is a conjuction. Conjuctions tie in two related ideas. Essentially it means "because of what I just said. the following is true". "Therefore" means "for this reason" or "because of that"

It's called a Logical Inferential.
inferential — A coordinating conjunction that conveys a deduction, conclusion, summary, or inference to the preceding discussion. Examples include ἄρα, γάρ, and διότι).

Heiser, M. S. (2005). Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology. Logos Bible Software.

The word "understand" is gnōrizō, which means "to make known"...what did Paul make known? What did Paul start out saying he did not want them to not be uninformed? The Spiritual gifts

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.

Paul then goes on to instruct more on the gifts and explain why and how it is one speaking by the Spirit of God CAN'T curse Christ but can only life Christ up as Lord....because the gifts are ordained by the Spirit of God not dumb idols

1Co 12:4 Now there are different gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are different ministries, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are different results, but the same God who produces all of them in everyone

Then you'll notice that many of the gifts have to do with speaking
Words of knowledge. Words of Wisdom. Tongues. Interpretation of tongues and Prophesy.

From chapter 12 to 14 Paul covers the gifts, particularly speaking gifts and our motivation for gifts being Love and the edifying of others. He was addressing the proper use of and the improper and selfish misuse of the gifts.

The topic was not becoming believers

Yep.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't merely post a short one liner. I backed it up by posting the context.

You've consistently avoided including the context AND ignoring all the verses, more than one, that shows belief is a prerequisite for receiving the Spirit

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.

Paul is teaching on the gifts. He says "I do not want you to be uninformed."

Paul demonstrates his intent in the first verse to INFORM them on the gifts. He then reminds them of their ignorance as pagans, serving mute idols. Idols that did not speak,

1Co 12:3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says "Jesus is accursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit.

Paul continues "therefore". This word is a conjuction. Conjuctions tie in two related ideas. Essentially it means "because of what I just said. the following is true". "Therefore" means "for this reason" or "because of that"

It's called a Logical Inferential.
inferential — A coordinating conjunction that conveys a deduction, conclusion, summary, or inference to the preceding discussion. Examples include ἄρα, γάρ, and διότι).

Heiser, M. S. (2005). Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology. Logos Bible Software.

The word "understand" is gnōrizō, which means "to make known"...what did Paul make known? What did Paul start out saying he did not want them to not be uninformed? The Spiritual gifts

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.

Paul then goes on to instruct more on the gifts and explain why and how it is one speaking by the Spirit of God CAN'T curse Christ but can only life Christ up as Lord....because the gifts are ordained by the Spirit of God not dumb idols

1Co 12:4 Now there are different gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are different ministries, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are different results, but the same God who produces all of them in everyone

Then you'll notice that many of the gifts have to do with speaking
Words of knowledge. Words of Wisdom. Tongues. Interpretation of tongues and Prophesy.

From chapter 12 to 14 Paul covers the gifts, particularly speaking gifts and our motivation for gifts being Love and the edifying of others. He was addressing the proper use of and the improper and selfish misuse of the gifts.

The topic was not becoming believers

No matter how many times you answer him he will keep saying "your skirting the answer" or "your avoiding" or even with all the scriptures you gave him he will just ignore them and continue to say you won't answer his questions.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

No matter how many times you answer him he will keep saying "your skirting the answer" or "your avoiding" or even with all the scriptures you gave him he will just ignore them and continue to say you won't answer his questions.

Yup :-)

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't merely post a short one liner. I backed it up by posting the context.

You've consistently avoided including the context AND ignoring all the verses, more than one, that shows belief is a prerequisite for receiving the Spirit

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.

Paul is teaching on the gifts. He says "I do not want you to be uninformed."

Paul demonstrates his intent in the first verse to INFORM them on the gifts. He then reminds them of their ignorance as pagans, serving mute idols. Idols that did not speak,

1Co 12:3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says "Jesus is accursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit.

Paul continues "therefore". This word is a conjuction. Conjuctions tie in two related ideas. Essentially it means "because of what I just said. the following is true". "Therefore" means "for this reason" or "because of that"

It's called a Logical Inferential.
inferential — A coordinating conjunction that conveys a deduction, conclusion, summary, or inference to the preceding discussion. Examples include ἄρα, γάρ, and διότι).

Heiser, M. S. (2005). Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology. Logos Bible Software.

The word "understand" is gnōrizō, which means "to make known"...what did Paul make known? What did Paul start out saying he did not want them to not be uninformed? The Spiritual gifts

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.

Paul then goes on to instruct more on the gifts and explain why and how it is one speaking by the Spirit of God CAN'T curse Christ but can only life Christ up as Lord....because the gifts are ordained by the Spirit of God not dumb idols

1Co 12:4 Now there are different gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are different ministries, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are different results, but the same God who produces all of them in everyone

Then you'll notice that many of the gifts have to do with speaking
Words of knowledge. Words of Wisdom. Tongues. Interpretation of tongues and Prophesy.

From chapter 12 to 14 Paul covers the gifts, particularly speaking gifts and our motivation for gifts being Love and the edifying of others. He was addressing the proper use of and the improper and selfish misuse of the gifts.

The topic was not becoming believers

I haven't ignored the context at all. The context is concerning the Spirit of God and how that Spirit interacts with an individual in Spiritual giftings. The passages begin by establishing that an individual who was once apart from God, a pagan and led astray, interacts with the Spirit of God and by this Spirit they confessed that Jesus is Lord. Only by the Spirit of God can the individual do this, which they have done. First comes the Spirit of God, per the passage, then comes the calling on Jesus. Once it's established that the Spirit of God was working in them from the beginning when they first said "Jesus is Lord", and this only by the Spirit, then begans the teaching concerning the interaction and gifting of this Spirit concerning the individual subsequent to their confession.

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware. 2 You know that when you were pagans, you were led astray to the mute idols, however you were led. 3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit. 4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit.

The same Spirit which by which they confessed that Jesus is Lord, as they came out of paganism, is the same Spirit which will bring giftings (nine) which the Spirit will distribute as He wills, as scripture plainly indicates in the subsequent verses.

Verse 2 establishes it's this same Spirit by the individual came to Christ, confessed that Jesus is Lord, and gave the gifts. Verse 2 is not speaking of any of the gifts of the Spirit which are presented in the passage, it's speaking of the Spirit and the individual's response to the Spirit. There are nine Spiritual gifts listed subsequent to verse 2. Verse 2 isn't about the Spiritual gifts, it's about an individual and the Spirit which precedes the individual's confession.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

No matter how many times you answer him he will keep saying "your skirting the answer" or "your avoiding" or even with all the scriptures you gave him he will just ignore them and continue to say you won't answer his questions.

Well, that's certainly a deep and insightful post concerning the passages in question. Or not.

[Old Paths]

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[houston]

Kc,

This is the 2nd time you have called me a liar.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I don't believe you.

Originally Posted by houston

Kc,

This is the 2nd time you have called me a liar.

I believe what he said was he didn't "believe you", that's not really calling you a liar, now is it.