Noah and the Ark

[mfblume]

How could people spend so much time trying to debunk the bible? Sad waste of time. Go for what you believe in. Why waste time like this?

[Sean]

Mike, misery wants company...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Prax, I am through with peoples dreams and visions that go nowhere but the direction they want.

Spiritual presence, thoughts, other people? This is the road to isolated Theories that create a Cult, which benchmarks a Fact with Lies, deceiving those who follow such ideas.

Your analogy allows people to become the victim of no order, even though they think they have order.

Im not really interested in what you are through with.

You have a lot of verbal hand waiving and gestures...you say a lot but nothing really at all

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by n david

Are you suggesting God didn't cause or create or set in order the "natural happenstance?" Pretty sure God is the one Who causes even the scientific to happen.

Well, yes, I believe that. I don't agree with how it's worded in the Bible, considering rainbows are seen every day somewhere in the world but God is no longer placing them there as a sign.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

A relationship??? Uh, let me see, you have a relationship with someone you can't see, can't touch, and can't hear.

I'm confused. Are you saying you don't have a relationship with God? Did you ever?

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I'm confused. Are you saying you don't have a relationship with God? Did you ever?

Originally Posted by NotforSale

After 35 years of being in the UPC, 20 of those years as a pastor, I was surprised to find how few people knew about our Doctrine and beliefs. The people that might know a little about us, know nothing of the depths of who we really are.

It's easy (sometimes) to reel in a visitor, but just wait until you drop the "Standards" hammer, or the "Tongues". There are so many quirks within our Faith that send people down the road, confused and broken.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

I'm aware he was a pastor, but that wasn't my question to him. I'm puzzled how someone can be active in any church for so long but seem to deny what they claimed to have for so many years.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

I might can understand some of those here who call themselves Apostolic but to let an individual here who tears down God's Word is a disgrace.

We are not talking about different vies of scripture, but a person who deigns the scripture and mocks those who hold it dear.

I'm not tearing down anything. That is your excuse to condemn the innocent. Show me where I've told 1 lie.

You claim that you hold the Word of God dear to yourself, yet you exclude those who disagree with your opinion about the Bible and the Religion you belong too.

You are a Religious fanatic, not a truth seeker.

[AR Pastor]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I'm not tearing down anything. That is your excuse to condemn the innocent. Show me where I've told 1 lie.

You claim that you hold the Word of God dear to yourself, yet you exclude those who disagree with your opinion about the Bible and the Religion you belong too.

You are a Religious fanatic, not a truth seeker.

YOu say the Word of God is not true and that the accounts recorded there are myths'.

I am not a fanatic but live the truth everyday.

You are the one denying the truth and the Word of God.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by n david

Nice try, I left the UPC long ago....and I still have many friends and even some family still in the UPC.

Not every has the experience you had.

And yes, I do have a relationship with a God I cannot physically see, touch or hear. But I can't see the wind, yet it's there. I can't touch the wind, but it still rustles the palms. Nor can I hear the wind, though it's effects are heard.

I'll keep this relationship I've had for the past 30 years. Nothing you say will ever cause me to doubt what I have seen, what I have felt and what I have heard.

You can see, hear, and feel the wind when it is filled with dust, blows trees down, and touches your face.

Your "Relationship" is nothing more than a Culturally based idea, not an actual Relationship. Look at my Profile picture; that is a Relationship of 34 years and God's intended purpose to gain understanding about life, love, and the hardships of life.

For me personally, my ideas about God come from what I see and experience, not what I'm told in a Religion that revels in Spectral Evidence, where people claim that God talks to them.