Tithing…Is it a command?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Excuse me brother

( Backs away slowly while bowing down)

Some people were trying to dimish Paul and set themselves higher than the Apostle, I am just following Paul's example

Regarding the non-tithers
2 Corinthians 11 paraphrased

Are they Oneness Apostolic? So am I.
Are they Baptized in the name of Jesus? So am I.
Are they speakers in tongues? So am I.
Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more...
The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by obriencp

ahhh... the source of the anger and bitterness?

ahhh... the source of some nutty idea.
listen buddy, I did not enter into the ministry to make money, on the contrary, if I wanted money, I would have concentrated more on my secular career and less on the ministry.
so you can take your suspicious or assumptious Ahhh....somewhere else instead of trying to somehow smear me with some idiotic suppositions of your imagination.

[obriencp]

I admit my last post was a bit abrasive, but it was in reaction to the tone of your posts. I never assumed you went into the ministry for money nor was I trying to smear you. I was simply reacting, maybe too soon, to the suppositions you've also made in regards to the anti-tithing crowd.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by obriencp

I admit my last post was a bit abrasive, but it was in reaction to the tone of your posts. I never assumed you went into the ministry for money nor was I trying to smear you. I was simply reacting, maybe too soon, to the suppositions you've also made in regards to the anti-tithing crowd.

I am a Computer Systems Engineer, does anyone really thinks I need all the headaches of the ministry, and doing it all for free, to boot.
Well free for others but not for me, for I have spent thousands of my own money to support the ministry.

Yes I preach the tithe and will continue preaching the tithe, yet without touching a single penny of the tithes lest anyone points a finger at me, but even with that I am sure there will be someone who will imagine I am into the ministry for some evil ulterior motive.

I know we can never satisfy the evil critics, no matter what we do.
"For John came neither eating or drinking, and behold they say he had a devil"
"The son of man came eating and drinking and behold they say he is glutonnous and a wine bidder"

"For he is in the ministry to take money from the tithes, he is a greedy preacher"
"For he is in the ministry to put money into the offering plate, he is a proud show off preacher"

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

ahhh... the source of some nutty idea.
listen buddy, I did not enter into the ministry to make money, on the contrary, if I wanted money, I would have concentrated more on my secular career and less on the ministry.
so you can take your suspicious or assumptious Ahhh....somewhere else instead of trying to somehow smear me with some idiotic suppositions of your imagination.

This type of arrogant condescending attitude of preachers towards laity is why so many people have no respect for the ministry.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Sorry but it does not work that way. The burden of proof is on YOU to show US where the New Testament, or even the Old Testament for that matter commands anyone to tithe currency income.
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The OT teaching was to tithe what ever you were increased in. So basically you tithed on what you earned.

When the law was first written wage earners was not common. Though currency did exist, most people bartered with goods

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II. Goods Subject to the Tithe

Typically in the ancient Near East the tithe was taken from a broad range of property, produce, or even currency, but particulars varied from culture to culture. Among property items that were tithed in Israel are listed grain, new wine (Heb. tîrôš), olive oil, fruit, cattle, and sheep (Dt. 14:23; Lev. 27:32; etc.), but other items were probably tithed as well. Abram tithed the spoils of battle (Gen. 14:20), and Jacob vowed to tithe all that God gave him (28:22). Throughout the ancient Near East all kinds of objects have been found designated as subject to the tithe: wool, cloth, wood, weapons, gold, silver, donkeys, etc. In general, the Israelites were to tithe all of the wealth (Heb. ḥayil; also ṭôḇ) of the land that Yahweh gave to them (cf. Dt. 8:18).


Carpenter, E. E. (1979–1988). Tithe. In G. W. Bromiley (Ed.), . Vol. 4: The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Revised (G. W. Bromiley, Ed.) (861–862). Wm. B. Eerdmans.

The OT was based on a different economic system. Also there were different tithes. In some cases the people who brought a 1/10th were to consume it themselves

Another 10th to the Levites and another to the poor


E. Critical Issues As mentioned above, there appear to be discrepancies among the three main descriptions of the tithe and its deposition in Dt. 14:22–29; Lev. 27:30–33; Nu. 18:21–32. No more than a few of the issues involved can be noted here.
Jewish tradition and some more recent studies (e.g., Landrell, p. 36) have identified two or three different tithes in these passages. (1) A first tithe consisted of the tithe to the Levites (Nu. 18; Dt. 14:27); of this, one-tenth was passed on to the priests or to the house of God. (2) A second tithe (from the remaining nine-tenths) was set apart and eaten by the household, presumably in Jerusalem (Dt. 14:22–26; cf. Mish Maaser sheni ii.1). Those living far from Jerusalem could change the tithe of the land into money, but they then had to add one-fifth to its price (Lev. 27:30f); food, drink, or oil could be purchased with the money. According to Mish Zebahim v.8, the cattle tithe belonged to this tithe and had to be used in Jerusalem. Landsell refers to this second tithe as the tithe for the sacred celebration. (3) The third tithe, according to Jewish tradition (Josephus Ant. iv.8.22 [240–43]; cf. also Landsell), was the tithe for the poor (Dt. 14:28f), which occurred only in the third year. According to some of these possible scenarios, therefore, the tithing rate could ran as high as thirty percent! Many believe that the third-year tithe replaced the second tithe every third year.


Carpenter, E. E. (1979–1988). Tithe. In G. W. Bromiley (Ed.), . Vol. 4: The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Revised (G. W. Bromiley, Ed.) (863). Wm. B. Eerdmans.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I'm a bi vocational pastor. And it is hard. Ministry is hard. But I do it because I minister to meet peoples needs not for them to meet mine. Are there times I wish I was a f/t salaried pastor? I'm not going to lie, yes there are. But overall I am glad that I have never been a financial burden to any church. I have always preached free, and I believe God has blessed me abundantly. I have very nice temporal things and live well. And I'm not offended that I have to work.

I dont preach or pastor because I need a job. I do it because I want to see people saved.

Personally I believe we screwed up big time by having a class of believers called ministry and the other class just the sheeple.

We should have been training and expecting EVERYONE to be a minister.

If someone needs to be baptized why wait for Pastor Joe to get done flipping hamburgers?

No where in the bible does it stipulate who can or can't baptize does it?

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The Pastor is working with this hand when he writes those sermons.

Stop robbing God!

If you do not want to give, then do not give, no one is forcing you, We are not pointing a gun to your head. cheapskate.

The Bible says that those who minister are to receive their living from their ministry. that is their job, you cheapskate go to a lawyer and ask him to provide you services without you paying a penny for them and let me know how well it goes for you.

I could write a whole book on tithing, but I seriously do not think it would be worth the effort, for you are already quite antagonistic to the tithing principle.

just go and enjoy your ice cream with the stolen tithes you have taken from a poor needy preacher.

You are funny. Did Jesus and the apostles get paid to preach? The last thing tithes should be for is to pay the pastor's living expenses.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I'm a bi vocational pastor. And it is hard. Ministry is hard. But I do it because I minister to meet peoples needs not for them to meet mine. Are there times I wish I was a f/t salaried pastor? I'm not going to lie, yes there are. But overall I am glad that I have never been a financial burden to any church. I have always preached free, and I believe God has blessed me abundantly. I have very nice temporal things and live well. And I'm not offended that I have to work.

I dont preach or pastor because I need a job. I do it because I want to see people saved.

God Bless You.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The OT teaching was to tithe what ever you were increased in. So basically you tithed on what you earned.

When the law was first written wage earners was not common. Though currency did exist, most people bartered with goods

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This was my initial point. (If you believe in tithing) Tithes does not have to be money.