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11-25-2007, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Thad
THAT IS THE TRUTH!!!
The tradition of the Veil came the catholic church- That cannot be Denied.
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Thad and DA, I have seen research that looks solid showing the womens (veil) Covering predates the RCC, with no lapse in observance since Pauls instruction in the NT. Do either of you have any evidence that the RCC "started" this?
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11-25-2007, 05:52 PM
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Invisible Thad
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Thad and DA, I have seen research that looks solid showing the womens (veil) Covering predates the RCC, with no lapse in observance since Pauls instruction in the NT. Do either of you have any evidence that the RCC "started" this?
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I am saying that it is were the AA got it from
Does your wife wear a covering to church? she's UPC
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11-25-2007, 06:03 PM
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I am saying that it is were the AA got it from
Does your wife wear a covering to church? she's UPC
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She has on occaision when we visit a church that practices it.
My understanding of the 1 Cor. 11 symbolism is that, indeed, it speaks of a material veil covering, and Paul appeals to natural covering of woman's long hair to strengthen his arguement.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-25-2007, 06:06 PM
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Invisible Thad
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
She has on occaision when we visit a church that practices it.
My understanding of the 1 Cor. 11 symbolism is that, indeed, it speaks of a material veil covering, and Paul appeals to natural covering of woman's long hair to strengthen his arguement. |
So everytime she needs to pray she has to grab a piece of clothe and cover her head ??
The Bible clearly states that HER HAIR was giving to her FOR a COVERING.
I think this stems from you mennonite upbringing.
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11-25-2007, 06:10 PM
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Dan,
My daughter goes to Eastwood in Lake Charles and is privileged to enjoy the music of Aaron and Vonnie Lopez almost every Sunday!
You know what surprised me is that Aaron speak very little Spanish. He understands well but doesn't speak well at all. I am not sure his son, a great golfer, speaks any at all. He told me that many of the AA kids are that way. Why do you think that is... absorption into the culture of the USA?
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Many AA churches conducted services bilingually .... this has been a practice now for decades .... a preacher would go back and forth in both languages.
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11-25-2007, 06:13 PM
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These men got their practices from their culture .... veils go back thousands of years ... it was used by many cultures ... Jewish, pagan ... you name it.
... but the machismo and the veils worn by old time Catholic women is their frame of reference ....
It's surprising to see that women are even allowed on the platform ... for years most AA churches if not all would not allow a women on the platform under any circumstance.
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11-25-2007, 06:13 PM
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Invisible Thad
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Many AA churches conducted services bilingually .... this has been a practice now for decades .... a preacher would go back and forth in both languages.
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i've heard this done - absolutley annoying !!!
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11-25-2007, 06:14 PM
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Invisible Thad
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
These men got their practices from their culture .... veils go back thousands of years ... but the machismo and the veils worn by old time Catholic women is their frame of reference ....
It's surprising to see that women are even allowed on the platform ... for years most AA churches if not all would not allow a women on the platform under any circumstance.
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Very true Dan.
hoover is coming from a different cultural background and faith
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11-25-2007, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Thad
So everytime she needs to pray she has to grab a piece of clothe and cover her head ??
The Bible clearly states that HER HAIR was giving to her FOR a COVERING.
I think this stems from you mennonite upbringing.
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Thad I don't deny I am influenced by my upbringing and experience much like you also are.
I tried to view 1 Cor. 11 as do most in the UPC, but with very little success.
These verses are absolutely nonsensical if the subject is viewed as hair...
4Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
The current UPC position is very much a minority view among scholars - nearly nonexistent - not only for today's application but also for Paul's intent to the Corinthian Church.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-25-2007, 07:08 PM
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Scripture was used to maintain cultural practices by the men who started this fellowship .... it seems fairly obvious, IMO ...
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