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11-12-2007, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
I disagree too. I know a pastor that takes all the tithe and the church still pays all the bills. His descretionary income every years is well over 150k and the church runs about 150. His income has taken a hit. There were several affluent members that left over a situation. So his income went down. So for several weeks he and the associate preached on tithe and offering. They say it was planned long before hand. But it seemed to fit that they were preaching to try and make more income. I told one of them that they should have put off teaching on it that it made them look bad/greedy. I was on staff there and they said they could not afford to put me on staff. But is they were on a salary then it would not have been a big deal. I have known churches to put the pastors and others on a salary and give them a bonus for membership increases.
I do not think it is biblical for a pastor to get all the tithe. It says bring it to the store house not the pastors house. IMO. If you are not for a salary then set up a % they take from the tithe i.s. 80% and the extra goes to missions or cost of running the church.
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I believe ever pastor should be on a reasonable salary...most churches (of about 70) might have to give the pastor 100% of the tithe for him to be full time....
But....when the tithe is more substantial due to a larger congregation...the pastor should take a set salary from the tithe and use the excess to fund other salaries and church needs...
Where is the cap? Depends on the church and the circumstance I suppose. For instance...in deep East Texas $35,000 is a whole lot more money than it is in California....
If a pastor is in a city situation...more money is needed to live and prosper...in the country...maybe less...so the premise of this thread is flawed...what it takes to barely get by in California, or New York City, or even Houston could be quite adequate in po-dunk-ville....therefore how can we say with any ceertainty what is acceptable compensation and what is not....
The attitudes about the pastor not prospering are just wrong. Maybe what is best for some is to join up with a group that doesn't allow full time pastors....every pastor has to work in the secular field as well as pastor the church...maybe that would make those gripping saints and jealous spirits feel better..
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Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
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11-12-2007, 01:43 PM
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Considering the events that are now going before Congress, and other money scandals/questions about other ministers my questions are the following;
What IS an acceptable salary/compensation for a Pastor
What IS an acceptable salary/compensation for an Evangelist/Prophet/Teacher (minister without a local church)
Is it wrong for a Pastor of a 300-500 member church to make $100,000 plus the church buy their car and pay their mortgage?
What about a Pastor of a 100 member church who makes 50K plus house allowance and cars???
In the UPCI I'd say that our "top" Evangelists don't make more than $50k a year from preaching. Is that reasonable? should it be more?
I'd bet that the typical UPCI Evangelist does not make more than 30K.
Anyhow, what would be fair compensation???????
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Personally if the P is making a salary of 30-100k or whatever, I don't see why they should be getting free cars, houses etc etc. If they are salaried then they are employed just like anyone else and they are being employed by that church. If Joe Schmoe has to barely make ends meet on a 30k salary and support his family and NOT even be able to own a house, why should he be stuck with an added burden of not only supporting the Pastors salary but also a free home and car?
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11-12-2007, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by triumphant1
So if a pastor writes a book and it makes him a miilionaire he is disqualified from the ministry and should just be an author as his vocation...is that your logic?
I say it is no one's business if the pastor is financially blessed during his ministry and he should b eable to continue in ministry even if he finds himself blessed into the highest tax bracket....
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No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I just don't think a pastor should get "rich" off of poor people. If his congregation is prosperous, he should be prosperous.
I don't have a problem with him having a side income to make him prosperous either. Just if he does, and his church people are poor, he shouldn't flaunt it, i.e. show off his mansion, expensive cars, or talk about his boat all the time.
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11-12-2007, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by triumphant1
I believe ever pastor should be on a reasonable salary...most churches (of about 70) might have to give the pastor 100% of the tithe for him to be full time....
But....when the tithe is more substantial due to a larger congregation...the pastor should take a set salary from the tithe and use the excess to fund other salaries and church needs...
Where is the cap? Depends on the church and the circumstance I suppose. For instance...in deep East Texas $35,000 is a whole lot more money than it is in California....
If a pastor is in a city situation...more money is needed to live and prosper...in the country...maybe less...so the premise of this thread is flawed...what it takes to barely get by in California, or New York City, or even Houston could be quite adequate in po-dunk-ville....therefore how can we say with any ceertainty what is acceptable compensation and what is not....
The attitudes about the pastor not prospering are just wrong. Maybe what is best for some is to join up with a group that doesn't allow full time pastors....every pastor has to work in the secular field as well as pastor the church...maybe that would make those gripping saints and jealous spirits feel better..
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I agree 100%....of the tithe. LOL.
I agree the larger churches should set a salary. The extra need to go to the work of the Lord. I feel that the Pastor should prosper, but not at the expense of the saints being poor. You know what I mean.
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11-12-2007, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by triumphant1
I believe ever pastor should be on a reasonable salary...most churches (of about 70) might have to give the pastor 100% of the tithe for him to be full time....
But....when the tithe is more substantial due to a larger congregation...the pastor should take a set salary from the tithe and use the excess to fund other salaries and church needs...
Where is the cap? Depends on the church and the circumstance I suppose. For instance...in deep East Texas $35,000 is a whole lot more money than it is in California....
If a pastor is in a city situation...more money is needed to live and prosper...in the country...maybe less...so the premise of this thread is flawed...what it takes to barely get by in California, or New York City, or even Houston could be quite adequate in po-dunk-ville....therefore how can we say with any ceertainty what is acceptable compensation and what is not....
The attitudes about the pastor not prospering are just wrong. Maybe what is best for some is to join up with a group that doesn't allow full time pastors....every pastor has to work in the secular field as well as pastor the church...maybe that would make those gripping saints and jealous spirits feel better..
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I agree with the bold part and most of the rest. That is what I was trying to say. If he needs 100% then he should take it. When the church gets to a point that he don't need 100% he should take a salary out of the tithes. He still oversees how the remaining amount is spent. It should go for a salary of other ministries in the church and evangelist etc... but at no point do I think that the church has the right to tell him what he can make.
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11-12-2007, 01:58 PM
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Da Evangelist
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If he is a man with the heart of a pastor he won't abuse the church in anyway.
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11-12-2007, 02:11 PM
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Where the rubber meets the road is what the observing sinful world sees. We saints and congregation have a biased opinion about what we think the pastor deserves. It sounds reasonable to say that they shouldn’t have a home better than the best in the church. I agree on that as a rule of thumb. What confuses the unsaved is that they often feel that someone’s choice to be in ministry should be a form of servitude and service with no expected rewards. To see some lavish lifestyle appears contrary and gives the impression of a phony who is really about the contrary.
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11-12-2007, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
I agree 100%....of the tithe. LOL.
I agree the larger churches should set a salary. The extra need to go to the work of the Lord. I feel that the Pastor should prosper, but not at the expense of the saints being poor. You know what I mean.
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I personally think they should get a salary and 10% of the tithe.
A bonus in years where the church ends up at 10% more in attendance than the year before...
Their needs to be component that measures some aspect of performance.
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11-12-2007, 03:00 PM
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His Eminance, High Potatohead Potatotate
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Money certainly changes people....
Most Folks I know with Money it becomes their life...
So I guess if a Pastor to become a millionaire what would take
more precedent in his life....God or Money?
My Question is this....IN America has Money become the ultimate goal of life?
To be wealthy is our final zenith?
Maybe this why Jesus said...Blessed are the Poor for yours is the Kingdom and woe unto those that are rich...
Interesting to think about...
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11-12-2007, 03:04 PM
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His Eminance, High Potatohead Potatotate
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Another point to consider...
Money separates people...It divides them...
It breeds many emotions...on both parties..
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