Do you believe on the Son of God? Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And the man said, Lord, I believe.
"Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe." Christ appears and says to Thomas, "...be not faithless, but believing." Thomas then believed and Christ continued, "...because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." The author of John continues, "And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
When one has such a faith begin to exist in his heart he has been "obedient" to the Gospel. Any action subsequently engendered BY this faith in the Gospel is not faith but an "act of faith" like those mentioned in Hebrews 11.
Mimicking the Gospel message by being baptized is not obedience to the Gospel. Baptism is an "act of faith". It is not "obedience" to the Gospel. We are to repent and believe the Gospel message. We are to return to God by trusting in the Gospel of our salvation. Returning to God through acceptance of this Good News is the obedience of faith. Those who are obedient to the Gospel message, i.e., those who accept it with a trusting heart, are subsequently baptized to externally manifest the reality of their heart having become unified with the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Baptism externally dramatizes the heart's unification with the Gospel.
Nothing cloudy here, Ferd. God bless, good to see you again.
A person CANNOT separate the obedience and faith. One without the other is in vain. If Moses said he believed God but did not place the blood on the post of the door he would not have been spared the judgment. One can go through the motions of obeying yet NOT believing it is in vain. Obeying from the heart that form of doctrine is what delivers from sin.
Dan & Adino if you had been the preacher at Pentecost what would YOU have told them to do?
Poor Petey, he must've forgotten his message at Pentecost of FULL SALVATION ....
In Acts 3,4, 10, 11 and 15 .... Peter gives a salvation message ... or recounts his message ... NOT ONE INCLUDES BAPTISM AS BEING CAUSE FOR SALVATION .... NOT ONE. All include the Gospel message ... some are followed by baptisms ... but not once does he state that baptism will effectuate the New Birth.
A person CANNOT separate the obedience and faith. One without the other is in vain. If Moses said he believed God but did not place the blood on the post of the door he would not have been spared the judgment. One can go through the motions of obeying yet NOT believing it is in vain. Obeying from the heart that form of doctrine is what delivers from sin.
He did not believe God and smote the rock the rest is history...
Poor Petey, he must've forgotten his message at Pentecost of FULL SALVATION ....
In Acts 3,4, 10, 11 and 15 .... Peter gives a salvation message ... or recounts his message ... NOT ONE INCLUDES BAPTISM AS BEING CAUSE FOR SALVATION .... NOT ONE. All include the Gospel message ... some are followed by baptisms ... but not once does he state that baptism will effectuate the New Birth.
Dodging Dan AGAIN. Again Dan what would YOU have told them at Pentecost?
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