The UPCI Is Not Alone In Church Splits - Page 7

Whole Hearted · #61 10-13-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

No offense, but from the last 3 posts of yours I'd say you might want to get some help. The allusions you made concerning the UPC and its recent action of lifting a 30 year old ban display a serious lack of perspective.

Go outside at night and look up at the sky. Consider the vastness of space and the the stars. Climb a mountain - even a small one, but one with a great view. Look out over the vast earth spread before you. Do a Bible Study that covers a long time period and compare that to the time that has elapsed since Asuza Street. Just the two blank pages between Malachi and Matthew covers a time span of 400 years. That's 2 entire lifetimes of our nation, the United States.

Broaden your horizons and consider how big God is. Then stretch yourself to try and fit Him - don't crumple Him up to try and fit you.

This makes no sense what so ever.

The bible tells us of the last days and that there will be those that will depart the faith. This is the beginning of a downward spiral for the UPC.

It is a sad day, i feel as though a loved one has died.

Barb · #62 10-13-2007, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

This makes no sense what so ever.

The bible tells us of the last days and that there will be those that will depart the faith. This is the beginning of a downward spiral for the UPC.

It is a sad day, i feel as though a loved one has died.

Sir, if you have read my posts re this issue, you know I am sad, too, but for different reasons.

But as for the "downward spiral," let's look back to 1992 and not a September Friday morning in 2007.

Whole Hearted · #63 10-13-2007, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Barb

Sir, if you have read my posts re this issue, you know I am sad, too, but for different reasons.

But as for the "downward spiral," let's look back to 1992 and not a September Friday morning in 2007.

I am all for the AS. Those who don't hold to doctrinal purity needed to go. That's is why some of us will have to leave now. Res. 4 is just the beginning, next they will lift the ban on TV in the home ands when they do it is over.

SDG · #64 10-13-2007, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I am all for the AS. Those who don't hold to doctrinal purity needed to go. That's is why some of us will have to leave now. Res. 4 is just the beginning, next they will lift the ban on TV in the home ands when they do it is over.

This is an UNApostolic post ...

JamDat · #65 10-13-2007, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I am all for the AS. Those who don't hold to doctrinal purity needed to go. That's is why some of us will have to leave now. Res. 4 is just the beginning, next they will lift the ban on TV in the home ands when they do it is over.

So are you saying that pretty much everyone before the 20's were saved because there was no TV?

Steve Epley · #66 10-13-2007, 09:37 AM

This thread is somewhat strange to myself with the others on the same topic. Those who left in 92 or because of the AS have been lauded as heros and men of principle. But these folks are seen as jerks. I respect though disagree with men like TB that could not violate his conscience in supporting something they did not agree with. Do not these men deserve some respect. The sole difference is these men leaving have enough thought into what they are doing to meet and organize thus to have a plan B. Those in 92 had no plan thus isolated or merged with non-Apostolics.

Whole Hearted · #67 10-13-2007, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JamDat

So are you saying that pretty much everyone before the 20's were saved because there was no TV?

How could you possibly get that out of what I said?

I am saying that those who go after TV will go farther and farther into the world and be lost.

Barb · #68 10-13-2007, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I am all for the AS. Those who don't hold to doctrinal purity needed to go. That's is why some of us will have to leave now. Res. 4 is just the beginning, next they will lift the ban on TV in the home ands when they do it is over.

Please do not mistake my sadness or questions for disrespect. I highly hold your convictions in respect and honor them, though I do not share them, but do you honestly think that television has not been in UPCI homes or viewed by most?!

And I have to wonder if the heartbeat of the merger was not destroyed, or at least shattered, in '92...again, long before this past GC.

As for "doctrinal purity," you are speaking about men and women who helped make the UNITED Pentecostal Church, International what it was. Many were there at the ground floor and never changed their doctrine...they left with the same view they came in with.

Whole Hearted · #69 10-13-2007, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

This thread is somewhat strange to myself with the others on the same topic. Those who left in 92 or because of the AS have been lauded as heros and men of principle. But these folks are seen as jerks. I respect though disagree with men like TB that could not violate his conscience in supporting something they did not agree with. Do not these men deserve some respect. The sole difference is these men leaving have enough thought into what they are doing to meet and organize thus to have a plan B. Those in 92 had no plan thus isolated or merged with non-Apostolics.

Great Post elder

Barb · #70 10-13-2007, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

How could you possibly get that out of what I said?

I am saying that those who go after TV will go farther and farther into the world and be lost.

Elder, our church or pastor is UPCI affiliated and has been for many years. Television has never been preached AGAINST...rather restraint and balance have been the theme.

In other words, our home has had TV as long as I can remember...

I can assure you that I have not gone farther into the world, nor am I lost.

Respectfully...