Are more Preachers Leaving the Ministry???

[Thad]

Originally Posted by LaGirl

we had a family JUST move to minden. resigned a good church...said he was drained and stressed out.

well there you go

another prmie example

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Thad

well there you go

another prmie example

Thad, another factor for Evangelists is that there used to be 2 Sunday services, and a midweek. In larger towns, there was one midweek on Tuesday and one on Wednesday or Thursday.

Now there is one service on Sunday and Home Friendship Groups have destroyed midweek BIBLE study.

On top of the Pastor still paying $500 a week when it costs $400 a week for gasoline/Diesel now.

Eventually the credit cards run out and the man drops off to get a job to pay off his debt. Hopefully he is not bitter and disillusioned beyond repair.

Wanna buy a good used Motor home or RV?

Originally Posted by Thad

I talked to A Pastors wife last weekend who told me they have several friends amongst their circle that just cannot take the stress of pastoring anymore and the effects its having on their families. she said that many are wondering if it's worth the risk.

in fact, she went on to tell me that some of her friends who pastor are going back to college to get secular degrees and getting out of pastoring all together.

I am thinking that is going to be a growing trend in the years to come



your thoughts

This is one of the draw backs that the sola pastora system doesn't enjoy.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I understand that pastoring is stressful ,but hey if God opens a door,I'll pastor stress and at.
WOW folks are leaving pastoring,when some of us aren't afraid of entering a pastorate.

Originally Posted by Theresa

so...they are "modifying" their calling for a better living?

If God calls a man to preach and puts him in a pastoral position are we suggesting God won't provide? It may not be easy, but if it's in the will of God...Just thinking out loud I guess.

I dont get it in those cases where the pastor is going to school to eventually do something else....if you are CALLED to so something...I dont know

I just dont believe God makes mistakes or puts people in a position then changes his mind or leaves them hanging.

Perhaps it's not God's will? Or someone somewhere isnt doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing?

It's a calling, not a career.



Perhaps some of these areas with 35 churches all competing for the same folks are not necessarily what God intended?

God didn't invent the position of "pastor" that we have nowadays... The issue is that the way the modern church works is not of God, there is not suppose to be some man who is the uber-holy leader of everything who does everything themself...

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Theresa

so...they are "modifying" their calling for a better living? (...)

Perhaps some of these areas with 35 churches all competing for the same folks are not necessarily what God intended?

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

God didn't invent the position of "pastor" that we have nowadays... The issue is that the way the modern church works is not of God, there is not suppose to be some man who is the uber-holy leader of everything who does everything themself...

Would it be "more scriptural" to have those "35 churches" (or whatever number there is locally) combine and that their current "pastors" continue on - but perhaps not all in a full time role. Those "pastors" along with the "saints" might elect a "bishop" or overseer for the work and then the whole enterprise moves forward as a single local body. By combining resources and numbers, the churches (and pastors) would be able to do things that they could never do alone.

Schools and even quality seminaries could be supported. The whole body would have a much greater impact than when they were all divided.

Sadly, to get there we have to first wait until the current generation of closed minded "pastors" all died off.

Originally Posted by pelathais

Would it be "more scriptural" to have those "35 churches" (or whatever number there is locally) combine and that their current "pastors" continue on - but perhaps not all in a full time role. Those "pastors" along with the "saints" might elect a "bishop" or overseer for the work and then the whole enterprise moves forward as a single local body. By combining resources and numbers, the churches (and pastors) would be able to do things that they could never do alone.

Schools and even quality seminaries could be supported. The whole body would have a much greater impact than when they were all divided.

Sadly, to get there we have to first wait until the current generation of closed minded "pastors" all died off.

pretty much, yeah... we shouldn't be so seperate...

even better than what you said... what if nationally all the churches supported eachother and all full-time ministers in our org got paid the same amount??? Then money needed to run the churches were given based upon some sort of criteria based on both need and how much money got given to the whole by the church....

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

pretty much, yeah... we shouldn't be so seperate...

even better than what you said... what if nationally all the churches supported eachother and all full-time ministers in our org got paid the same amount??? Then money needed to run the churches were given based upon some sort of criteria based on both need and how much money got given to the whole by the church....

Yes, this is exactly what we need. Governmental Churches.

[IBCrazier2]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Thad, another factor for Evangelists is that there used to be 2 Sunday services, and a midweek. In larger towns, there was one midweek on Tuesday and one on Wednesday or Thursday.

Now there is one service on Sunday and Home Friendship Groups have destroyed midweek BIBLE study.

On top of the Pastor still paying $500 a week when it costs $400 a week for gasoline/Diesel now.

Eventually the credit cards run out and the man drops off to get a job to pay off his debt. Hopefully he is not bitter and disillusioned beyond repair.

Wanna buy a good used Motor home or RV?

I know of some people that travel to churches singing ..... was either $50 or $150 for 3 services ....... at a very large church in a metro area.

Had a friend on the evagelist field with 2 kids that was paid $50 and a set of commentaries for 7 nights of preaching(6 years ago)

Heard a pastor tell an evangelist He didn't need anymore of an offering because he didn't have all the bills a pastor has (electric, gas, phone, etc)

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Yes, this is exactly what we need. Governmental Churches.

its a million times more Biblical than what we currently have...

in fact, you could argue that that is similar to the agreement that Paul and James made at the Council of Jerusalem...