Can a District trump TV?

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

But, how is a TV allowance different for you in that many of those same Missouri churches allow things such as wedding rings and shorter sleeves right now and have for the years that you have been in the org?

Are not your people already accustomed to other UPC churches holding a different line?

In some ways, you could say it is the same. However, there comes a time in which the organization adds "the straw that broke the camel's back." I personally believe that for the UPC to condone the use of television IN ANY FORM is, indeed, a MAJOR step backward with regards to our overall holiness stand. I realize that many people disagree with this conclusion, but it is the way I percieve it. Therefore, once the UPCI changes its stand on television, I will no longer maintain my license with them.

Surely everyone understands the principle of gradualism. If a minister does not have SOME line, then the UPCI could (theoretically, of course) change its fundamental doctrine and it would not affect that minister. There HAS to be (at least in my mind) some "line of demarcation." For me, television is that line.

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

BTW KP, I am not trying to turn this into a slug fest against you or anyone else. My intent is just to discuss tis other paradigm.

I have just wondered this for years and was curious if anyone knew.

I take absolutely no offense at your questions. I do not percieve anything wrong with your attitude or spirit in the way you are dealing with this.

I am doing my best to present my answers in the same spirit. So, fire away!

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

In some ways, you could say it is the same. However, there comes a time in which the organization adds "the straw that broke the camel's back." I personally believe that for the UPC to condone the use of television IN ANY FORM is, indeed, a MAJOR step backward with regards to our overall holiness stand. I realize that many people disagree with this conclusion, but it is the way I percieve it. Therefore, once the UPCI changes its stand on television, I will no longer maintain my license with them.

Surely everyone understands the principle of gradualism. If a minister does not have SOME line, then the UPCI could (theoretically, of course) change its fundamental doctrine and it would not affect that minister. There HAS to be (at least in my mind) some "line of demarcation." For me, television is that line.

I respect you for that and I appreciate your honest answer.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

I take absolutely no offense at your questions. I do not percieve anything wrong with your attitude or spirit in the way you are dealing with this.

I am doing my best to present my answers in the same spirit. So, fire away!

It seems possible to me that OK Dist may not have to change their prohibition...which would make for some interesting situatons I am sure.

One poster said that the Ok Dist Super is on record against the national resolution. If that is the case, would he really condone the removal of the district policy set forth 30 years ago?

I wonder as well if that would have to come to a floor vote at the Dist Conf...

I used to really be involved with that stuff, I even had a resolution or two of my own get voted through...

It would definately be interesting to see how this plays out. I wonder also if conservatives in some district might choose to set a district prohibition...

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

In defense of OK I will say that the OK district is a fine one. Bro Matthew Martin is one the nicest gentlemen pastors or DS you could ever meet. They have great unity and MM is loved by all in his district. OK is probably conservative to the degree NC or GA is, but they have tremendous unity. The #1 reason is the Holy Ghost---OK has church! #2 reason is the humility, integrity and character of its DS. #3 is the men who pastor in OK are good men who believe in revival and love the ministry and people. They really get along. I attended a section prayer breakfast several years ago and the prayer with one another, the breakfast and fellowship following was refreshing.

I don't know anything about the politics of OK, but what I know and have observed is that its one of our up and coming districts. While other districts are cutting back their camp meeting schedules to three, four or five days, OK still goes Sunday-Friday with maximum crowds every night (2500-3000 people---the day crowds are 1,000 strong).

I live in Oklahoma. I'm not attacking the OK district...just participating in the topic at hand. I agree that Bro. Martin is a good DS. I don't know that I agree with the rest of your post, at least, not in such glowing, optimistic terms.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I live in Oklahoma.

So do I...:sshhh

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

So do I...:sshhh

[deacon blues]

During WWII an American was in his fox hole in the dark of night. It was so dark he could not see that a Japenese soldier had crawled into the fox hole with him. The American pointed his bayoneted rifle at the enemy soldier and said "Are you an American?" The startled Japenese soldier, who could not see either wanting to let the other soldier in the dark to know where he was from in case he was Japanese replied, "Yokohama, Yokohama!"

The American soldier dropped his gun to his side, threw out his right hand and said, "Well, shoot, I'm from Tulsa!"

[nwlife]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

So do I...:sshhh

hmmm...a bunch of okies on the board....I guess we all are taking over everything now, right? LOL! But being in the Okla. District- ALJC... I don't have to worry about any decisions they make.

But we in the ALJC-okla. district, do give our respect to bro. Martin.

[revrandy]

I used to live in OK....