Missouri Molestation Case

[J-Roc]

At any rate, I invite my UC bruthas/pastors to join the outcry...where are they?

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

A jail sentence is not the only thing he is facing...he could have blood on his hands if this girl does not overcome.

Hmm... not defending this by no means, but if he repents, truely repents and finds forgiveness from God, then he will still have blood on his hands if she doesn't over come? not trying to be contrary, but just trying to understand. Is that the same as when one is hurt by the ministry in other ways and they lose out because they could not get over the hurt... Is the blood still on the ministries hands?

[Newman]

Originally Posted by FRINGE_NUTTER

The good ole boy network can just shuffle people around the country. I knew this to happen in a nonPentecostal church.

Well, I think the days of shuffling people around the country, sweeping the matter under the carpet, and looking the other way are OVER. Too much potential liability now days to do so.

[FRINGE_NUTTER]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

I pray she does not blame God, the clergy, the church, christianity and the like.

Once a preacher commits a crime, even if it's not a sexual crime, the confidence level goes to nihil, nada, naught, null, zilch, zip, ZERO. People look at the preacher as God's messenger and relate the messenger to the one who gave the message and do blame God sometimes. That's when it really hurts. I've seen it happen. The anger is displaced from person to God sometimes. Sad, but true.

[FRINGE_NUTTER]

Originally Posted by Newman

Well, I think the days of shuffling people around the country, sweeping the matter under the carpet, and looking the other way are OVER. Too much potential liability now days to do so.

I wouldn't say they are over but maybe improving.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

Hmm... not defending this by no means, but if he repents, truely repents and finds forgiveness from God, then he will still have blood on his hands if she doesn't over come? not trying to be contrary, but just trying to understand. Is that the same as when one is hurt by the ministry in other ways and they lose out because they could not get over the hurt... Is the blood still on the ministries hands?

Let's just say it isnt safe to play with fire...I dont know the answer, but it sure is flirting with danger...too close to the precipice

[RandyWayne]

Hmm... not defending this by no means, but if he repents, truely repents and finds forgiveness from God, then he will still have blood on his hands if she doesn't over come? not trying to be contrary, but just trying to understand. Is that the same as when one is hurt by the ministry in other ways and they lose out because they could not get over the hurt... Is the blood still on the ministries hands?

I believe you completely when you say YOUR not defending this but this is the start of making the victim the villain for not "forgiving" the guilty or learning to deal with it, while the guilty is "forgiven" by all manner of people who don't even have the authority to do it on the part of the vic, but proceed to act all self-righteous about it. I've seen it in the Ohio case as well as other molestation cases.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by FRINGE_NUTTER

Once a preacher commits a crime, even if it's not a sexual crime, the confidence level goes to nihil, nada, naught, null, zilch, zip, ZERO. People look at the preacher as God's messenger and relate the messenger to the one who gave the message and do blame God sometimes. That's when it really hurts. I've seen it happen. The anger is displaced from person to God sometimes. Sad, but true.

Perhaps teachings from the pulpit need to focus and emphasize vertical sight and not horizontal... give honor to whom honor is due, but it should be stressed that humanity fails and divinity never fails...fix our eye sight on Christ should be the goal for every Believer.

[FRINGE_NUTTER]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Perhaps teachings from the pulpit need to focus and emphasize vertical sight and not horizontal... give honor to whom honor is due, but it should be stressed that humanity fails and divinity never fails...fix our eye sight on Christ should be the goal for every Believer.

This is true but the man standing in the pulpit is God's representative on earth. A child can't see God, but the child can see the man who represents Him. It's hard for a child to make sense of what happens. It's hard for an adult to make sense of what happens in cases like the one mentioned on this thread. Only God can bring about the spiritual healing that is needed.

[H2H]

This sin problem knows no denominational bounds... a case like this hurts far more than those directly involved - though I realize the victim loses the most. It is shameful/humbling to all the other Pentecostal churches in the area and for Christians in general... ...sad indeed.