How Many of HIS Creation will He Lose to "HELL"? - Page 7

Rico · #61 07-21-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

The traditional view of God, in the context of who He really is, is illogical and inconsistent. That is the whole point, I have made my case simply and I have used numerous scriptural support over the months on this forum. It is really quite simple, I have a higher view of the Creator, than the traditional view.

More like a twisted view.

Dedicated Mind · #62 07-21-2007, 12:22 PM

I believe there is a placed called hell where all unsaved people go. This is not the same as the lake of fire which is for the wicked and is eternal. God instituted the principle of jubilee in the OT to release all prisoners and slaves every 50 years. I believe God will also release prisoners from hell at the white throne judgement or at a "creation jubilee". The lake of fire is for the wicked, not all of the unsaved.

crakjak · #63 07-21-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

ad Nauseum

BTW does logical and inconsistant include ignoring the other persons arguments?

I have not ignored your arguments, if two people look at the same thing and have a different interpretation of the thing, that does not constitute ignoring the other's assessment.

crakjak · #64 07-21-2007, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

I believe there is a placed called hell where all unsaved people go. This is not the same as the lake of fire which is for the wicked and is eternal. God instituted the principle of jubilee in the OT to release all prisoners and slaves every 50 years. I believe God will also release prisoners from hell at the white throne judgement or at a "creation jubilee". The lake of fire is for the wicked, not all of the unsaved.

Do you have scripture to support this view? I'm interested in how you arrived at this conclusion.

crakjak · #65 07-21-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico

More like a twisted view.

What are you afraid of Rico, the monster that tradition has produced?

Rico · #66 07-21-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

What are you afraid of Rico, the monster that tradition has produced?

I am not afraid of anything, Crakjak. I think it is you who is afraid to admit that there will be eternal consequences for everyone, including eternal punishment.

Praxeas · #67 07-21-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

I have not ignored your arguments, if two people look at the same thing and have a different interpretation of the thing, that does not constitute ignoring the other's assessment.

You have ignored my points. I have posted several scriptures and you ignored them. You made a point about punishment without being punitive and I posted several scriptures and you blew them all off.

That is par for the course.

Usually, rather than directly engage my points by refuting them or agreeing, you instead resort to emotive arguments and ad hominem attacks like your recent doozy about me wanting to deny mankinds greater hope!

You appeal to a God think is higher than my view because it's based on YOUR OWN PERSONAL VIEW. Truth is based on what the bible tells us about God. The Highest God is the God that is the True God and not a god of our own imagination based on what you THINK a god would do in such and such situation. Time and Time again I have seen your argument start off in emotional and philosophical appeal as to what we humans should think God should be like, when you do quote some scriptures and I try to engage you in that, you ignore my points and return back to the original source of your argument, your own opinion and use emotion and philosophical reasoning AND ad hominem arguments.

My view is based on the bible, what it says. I never started off wanting people to go to hell and then went to the bible to justify it. I don't want people to go to hell or anything like that, nor do I want people to suffer with sickness and disease, but no amount of wishful thinking makes the reality of sickness no longer exist.

Let the Word of God be true and every man a liar. So, if my view of what a "higher view of God" does not match what the BIBLE says a higher view of God should be like, then I am wrong and so are you.

God says My ways are not your ways neither are my thoughts your thoughts. We can't then look at our selves and say "God must think like us and feel like us, therefore if I don't think there should be an eternal punishment, then neither should God"

Praxeas · #68 07-21-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

What are you afraid of Rico, the monster that tradition has produced?

See what I mean? This is a scriptural topic. But CJ would rather make emotive and ad hominem arguments, not to mention unfounded assertions and false accusations

Dedicated Mind · #69 07-21-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Do you have scripture to support this view? I'm interested in how you arrived at this conclusion.

I started a thread on gnc, "Is Hell Forever?". I basically state that God releases Satan after having him bound 1,000 years. Is 14:12-17, God accuses Satan of not releasing his prisoners. Psa. 146:7 says, "the Lord looseneth the prisoners". Lev 25:8-10, "after seven sabaths...ye shall return every man to his family". If God releases satan after 1,000 years and "looseneth the prisoners" in Isaiah, psalms and leviticus, it only makes sense He will release prisoners from hell after just punishment.

crakjak · #70 07-21-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

See what I mean? This is a scriptural topic. But CJ would rather make emotive and ad hominem arguments, not to mention unfounded assertions and false accusations

Have you read the parables of Jesus, have you read His responses to the religious leaders? I know you have, so do you accuse Jesus of the same "emotive and ad hominem arguments"? You use this same attack in every discussion, no matter the topic.