Any One Know What This Scripture Means

Originally Posted by triumphant1

I am sorry for the confusion here...to me his buying of a black shirt and mourning the "Changes" in the district show that this man feels that the district is lost to this "other spirit".

He described the worship as the same Moses encounter with the golden calf...

And he insinuates in the post quoted that the entire district was offered this drink from a wicked source and ultimately leads us to believe that they readily accepted it.

Isaiah would be proud of me. At least I did not go "naked."

Again, you misquoted me. If you are going to quote me, please get it right. Unless you understand what I said, you will continually stay confused.

Does anyone...anyone at all, know how to interpret the scripture????

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Did I ever say that you were not entitled to your opinions?

Nor have I said you're not entitled to yours. You have every right to express them, though it doesn't mean you're right in doing so.

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Make all your silly demands, but I will not discuss the man/woman beyond what I have said without HIS permission. You are rude and incosiderate of him in making your demands. Further discussion of him/her beyond what I have already said would naturally entail examining many prophecies in many churches over a period of time.

You would be wise to drop your demands in the interest of the person that you are trying so hard to defend. You need to shut up about it.

Will you stop backpeddling and just answer this:

You said that he used words and teachings WORD for WORD from the Cathedral of Wisdom . . .

What were they?

Has nothing to do with prophecies and you know it. Stop spinning the issue and trying to avoid the question.

You kept asking Dan over and over if he believed and subscribed to the teachings of the Cathedral of Wisdom like this minister did.

Do you have proof that he does. Or are you simply full of hot air?

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Because I will not discuss the particular spirit that I judged that night or anything else concerning who is probably a God called Prophet beyond what I've already said except for his permission.

This isn't about the spirit, it's the accusations you made. I could care less about what you felt. You probably just had gas.

Good grief...24 hours later you were singing a different tune, so I don't really put much into what you were feeling that night.

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Don't be dumbfound. There is a lot that you do not know.

I know all I need to know by reading your posts. You're rude, arrogant, elitist and apparently more likely to hide behind a keyboard than confront the man face to face or at the very least over the phone.

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Absolutely, without his permission, I will not discuss him any further, neither will I call his name on this forum.

Oh how thoughtful of you. Perhaps you should have thought of that before stating who this minister was by describing the setting, thereby effectively "outing" him by plausible deniability. Sure you didn't name names, but you still made no effort to hide who he was.

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Never stabbed anyone...anywhere or anytime.

What do you call starting a thread on a public forum in which you made accusations and called him a false prophet.

Have you contacted him personally to relate your feelings? Did you take even a moment to ask for a time to speak with him when you "rubbed shoulders" with him?

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Are you an Apostolic? For how long? Please don't tell me that you are a preacher!

I am an Apostolic, thank you. Born and raised in a UPC church by parents who have been ministers for the past 51 years.

My father would never dishonor the ministry or break ethics by posting accusations and complaints against another minister in a public internet forum as what you've done.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Thanks for not mischaraterizing my quote.

Honesty diserves an answer when given in the right spirit as you did here.

My mind made a jump from the events that occured that night with the prophecies that went forth to so much prophecies that go forth today in the name of the Lord...that are not from the Lord.

There was a few weeks ago a thread that about a certain TBN Prophet that has prophesied all sorts of things. Supposedly he prophesied Katrina. He probably did. He has prophesied things about the auto industry and Detroit. I forget his name except for Kim something. I defended the man at first since I never think that one should jump off into judging a prophet without "trying the spirits to see if they be of God." But then, another poster gave me a web-site to visit. It soon became that the man is moved by a false spirit of divination which is not a huge leap, when one moves in the spirit realm from the real and the false. Unsanctified spirits easily enter into those areas when personal agendas are involved.

I questioned whether we are ready to receive the sorcerer instead of a Prophet moved entirely by the Holy Ghost. The word sorcerer was not directed toward the person prophesying THAT particular night. To have done so would have been a stretch further than I would have been willing to make at this point.

I wrote an article found on www.ApostolicLibrary.com under "contents" concerning Sorcerers and the Art of Sorcery. You might would like to read it. From that article, you can more easily see how I come to use the word "sorcerer."

Hope this helps to clarify the use of the word.

Again, I do not mind honest and sincere questions so long as they are just that...honest and sincere, even if they are laced with criticism.

Thank you brother. The confusion then must be symantics and word smithing rather than intentions and accusations when discussing the posts.

I am not saying that i agree with your assessment but I do want you to know that i too appreciate sincerity and honesty.

I am again perplexed by the participation on these forums because of this very reason...if you and I had the same conversation over coffee at IHOP we'd probably react to each other in a much more positive fashion.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Isaiah would be proud of me. At least I did not go "naked."

Again, you misquoted me. If you are going to quote me, please get it right. Unless you understand what I said, you will continually stay confused.

I will accept your word on this and let go for now.

C R...

Get a grip.

You are in whacko land.

If you are so interested in me having a personal encounter with the man, I have no objection, though I have no leadership in that regard. If I would have had leadership, I would have followed it and would have confronted the man. I've done it before. I once snatched the microphone out of the hand of a false prophet right in the middle of a false prophecy and told him he was lying. I was not led of the Holy Ghost to do it, but there was no lack of courage. The ushers came and escorted me out of the building. Most of the congregation followed the wife and I out into the parking lot. But, in that, the Lord dealt with me, a very young man to not do be confrontational again unless I was led to do it. Hey, over the many years, by experience, by trial and error, I've learned a few things.

You sir, are a novice.

But, my phone number is available with the Admin. Call the man in question and see if he would like to have a conversation with me, since you are so concerned about it. I will be glad to talk to the man. In fact, it would be very beneficial to HIM. But, I am not going to do confornt the man unless I am directed by the Holy Ghost.

Otherwise SHUT UP.

Meanwhile, what do the scriptures mean that I quoted in the first post? Are you able to answer it? If you could properly interpret those scriptures, much of your confusion might be properly clearned up.

Originally Posted by triumphant1

Thank you brother. The confusion then must be symantics and word smithing rather than intentions and accusations when discussing the posts.

I am not saying that i agree with your assessment but I do want you to know that i too appreciate sincerity and honesty.

I am again perplexed by the participation on these forums because of this very reason...if you and I had the same conversation over coffee at IHOP we'd probably react to each other in a much more positive fashion.

Only if you paid the tab....but I would also have the "short stack."

[tamor]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

No one, as far as I know is soliciting your respect...or opinions for that matter.

You want it backed up?

HA!

You would not know a "back up" from a "shack up." (Personal opinion, of course)

But, since I have never called a name at any point in time...and since you are sooooo concerned about the reputation of a certain person...call that certain person and ask him if it is ok for his name to be used on this forum. If it is OK, then you come back with his permission and post his name and making your silly demands that you are making.

Meanwhile, ask him...or any other Prophet (true or false) if he is willing to have his prophecies discussed (failed or true) on this forum. If he says "NO," you then need to recognize the incredible ignorance of your silly demands and THEN SHUT UP. Yes, we can discuss those prophecies if he gives permission to do so.

Meanwhile, who are you talking about? You are waaaaaay our of your league, Mr/Mrs Novice.

Now, put up or shut up with your demands. I will be happy to discuss all of your demands if you get his permission. Meanwhile, I will extend to the man the same Christian courtesy toward him that I am sure that he would extend toward me.

Wow.

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

If you are so interested in me having a personal encounter with the man, I have no objection, though I have no leadership in that regard. If I would have had leadership, I would have followed it and would have confronted the man. I've done it before. I once snatched the microphone out of the hand of a false prophet right in the middle of a false prophecy and told him he was lying. I was not led of the Holy Ghost to do it, but there was no lack of courage. The ushers came and escorted me out of the building. Most of the congregation followed the wife and I out into the parking lot. But, in that, the Lord dealt with me, a very young man to not do be confrontational again unless I was led to do it. Hey, over the many years, by experience, by trial and error, I've learned a few things.

Right. But getting on a public internet forum and bashing a minister is approved of the Lord? God approves as long as it's done behind his back and not to his face ?

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

But, my phone number is available with the Admin. Call the man in question and see if he would like to have a conversation with me, since you are so concerned about it. I will be glad to talk to the man. In fact, it would be very beneficial to HIM. But, I am not going to do confornt the man unless I am directed by the Holy Ghost.

Otherwise SHUT UP.

Meanwhile, what do the scriptures mean that I quoted in the first post? Are you able to answer it? If you could properly interpret those scriptures, much of your confusion might be properly clearned up.

*grin* I believe that's the third or fourth time you've told me to "shut up." I bet you'd like it if I did, wouldn't you. That way you wouldn't have to defend your conduct and actions and it could be just swept under the rug.

Funny you talked about being glad to speak with the man, but now say you need to be directed by the Holy Ghost before doing so. What about the elders you called cowards . . . maybe they, too, feel the need to be directed by the Holy Ghost before confronting him.

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

I looked carefully into the faces of some of the old Elders there. Some of them also recognize what I am talking about. Sadly, they are intimidated and are afraid not to walk in lock step with the rest...so for unity's sake, they choose to remain silent instead. They fear their own reputation above that of the interest of the kingdom of Gold. They treasure the fellowship more than fellowship with God.

I stated before that you may well be a good man with good intentions, but I'm finding it harder to believe the longer you refuse to answer simple questions; the more excuses you create to keep you from talking with this man; and ultimately by virtue of the terrible ethics and character you've shown here by accusing and insulting this man and the elders in this public forum.

Regardless of your intent, your attitude and conduct on here is disgraceful and unbecoming of a minister.

C. R.

You have a heavy case of wax in the ears. Clean it out and listen very carefully....

I said that I would be glad to talk to the man. Call him up and tell him to call me. No problem. He might even benefit from the conversation, if he is open. Admin has my phone number. I give them permission to give it to the man in question, but not to every novice that is posting here. Good grief, I'd have every nut in the country calling me.

Did you hear that? I said, once again, that I would have no problem in talking to the man. Tell him to call me.