The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Ronzo

I no longer go to CLC.

He is not my pastor any longer.



My stance fits perfectly with what you call backlider, so label me as you wish. I really couldn't care less.

Does this represent a change in doctrine for you, Ron?

Where are you going to church these days?

Who is your pastor now?

This isn't personal with me, Bro.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Guess I'm wondering exactly who you are referring to here? Don't need names -- just an idea of who these modern backsliders might be.

In the UPC? Out of the UPC? Others?

for the record, this is a bonified actual PCI person. Daniel you need to pick her brain.

Auntie, you might ought to invite your husband to chime in....

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Ferd

for the record, this is a bonified actual PCI person. Daniel you need to pick her brain.

Auntie, you might ought to invite your husband to chime in....

Right.

I don't agree with her position, but find it much more palatable than this other deal.

[Steve Epley]

Anyone reading Patterson's book on baptism or the Godhead would have NEVER thought his view (thought PCI) was anything but standard Oneness thinking. He was emphatic. Gurley, Yadon and others preached Acts 2:38 so strong only those in the know would have known the difference. But today these folks who calim these as their roots are closer to what the PCI came out of istead of the PCI.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

This is what bugs me about Reformed Dave. I didn't know Daniel was baptist now. Or is he?

PP,

ReformedDave is the son of the late Elder David Gray. He has moved in a direction that has led him to the Reformed movement and is a member of a Presbyterian Church. That said, he has a very credible perspective on the PCI - PAJC discussion as his dad was a 3 stepper that was in the PCI organization. He has insight from the inside.

As for Daniel, he is still an Apostolic but he has morphed from a PAJC perspective on salvation of required Water and Spirit new birth to a Baptist perspective that the new birth occurs at repentance and any thing else is just icing on the cake.... nice but not necessary. They try to say this is PCI but it is not. It is baptist thus the reference.

Originally Posted by Ronzo

I no longer go to CLC.

He is not my pastor any longer.



My stance fits perfectly with what you call backlider, so label me as you wish. I really couldn't care less.

I hesitated to ask but I thought this might be the case.

Are you a member of the church in your sig line?

[SDG]

Wrong ... Phil ... the Baptists came up because I referred to Goss' belief that they would be saved

[SDG]

Originally Posted by philjones

PP,

ReformedDave is the son of the late Elder David Gray. He has moved in a direction that has led him to the Reformed movement and is a member of a Presbyterian Church. That said, he has a very credible perspective on the PCI - PAJC discussion as his dad was a 3 stepper that was in the PCI organization. He has insight from the inside.

As for Daniel, he is still an Apostolic but he has morphed from a PAJC perspective on salvation of required Water and Spirit new birth to a Baptist perspective that the new birth occurs at repentance and any thing else is just icing on the cake.... nice but not necessary. They try to say this is PCI but it is not. It is baptist thus the reference.

TMI ... Phil don't forget decorum.

Originally Posted by philjones

I hesitated to ask but I thought this might be the case.

Are you a member of the church in your sig line?

It's not a church.

And the founder of the ministry goes to CLC.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I'll see you in Glory ... CS ... along w/ some others you'd rather not invite ....

Alice,

This is insulting.

To insinuate that there is anyone I want to see die lost is really an ugly thing to say.