Introduction of "Digital Dollar"

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by consapente89

The last days began at Pentecost.

Then the last days have been going on for 2000 years. That’s doesn’t make any sense.

Matthew 24:3 KJVS
[3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

When is the end of the world? When is the tribulation?

Matthew 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

What generation is Jesus talking to? Brother why would Jesus say this if it’s really meant for our age? Someone is wrong, someone got their time wrong.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

1. You avoid my posts like the plague, pretending not to notice them. Why? Because they utterly refute some of your ideas. So, you carry on as if nobody has corrected your errors. It appears quite intentional and wilful, there are none so blind as they who choose not to even look, let alone see, etc.

2. Armapeet made this exact sameclaim about 4000 years under the old covenant and was soundly corrected by brother Blume for it. Weren't you there in that discussion? Or are you Armapeet? Anyway, the old covenant began at Sinai approx 1500 BC. So there were approx 1500 years of old civenant, not 4000 years. How is it you are a teacher and don't have these really basic Bible facts down? This is what gives Pentecost a bad name.

Serious, real question here. How is it you claim to be spiritual (and the rest of are natural/fleshly/carnal) as if you have superior insight and knowledge, and yet you completely fail at basic facts that even my preteens don't? Shouldn't you instead be learning your Bible and basic facts before you go about teaching?

If anyone teaches, they need to have their ducks in quite a neat straight row. If not, they need to be called out on it. So, "Nicodemus, phone call!"

First off I never said you were carnal, that’s your conscience talking not me! Second I was referring to the thread that diakonos posted, I was asking consepente89 what he thought about that.

Second, your living in some limbo adhering to some of the law and some of the new covenant. Or because you believe heaven and earth has not passed maybe you perform animals sacrifices still.

You believe Satan presenting himself before God was some poetry writing, and never happened. My kids believe that happened, but you yourself a scholar or a teacher of the sabbath believes not?

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Does Birddog believe fulfilled eschatology also?

Let loose the hounds

[diakonos]

Second, your living in some limbo adhering to some of the law and some of the new covenant. Or because you believe heaven and earth has not passed maybe you perform animals sacrifices still.

The comedy

[diakonos]

You believe Satan presenting himself before God was some poetry writing, and never happened

what!?

[KeptByTheWord]

In my mind, these two things are settled.
1. No man knows the day or hour.
Mark 13:32 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

2. We will ALL KNOW when Jesus returns.
Matt. 24:30-31 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

And the rest... only God knows. I find great comfort in these two facts.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

In my mind, these two things are settled.
1. No man knows the day or hour.
Mark 13:32 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

2. We will ALL KNOW when Jesus returns.
Matt. 24:30-31 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

And the rest... only God knows. I find great comfort in these two facts.

Except our Lord Jesus said 4 verses after what you quoted...

Matthew 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

If it’s for our time, about 50 generations have passed already. Someone is wrong.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

First off I never said you were carnal, that’s your conscience talking not me! Second I was referring to the thread that diakonos posted, I was asking consepente89 what he thought about that.

Second, your living in some limbo adhering to some of the law and some of the new covenant. Or because you believe heaven and earth has not passed maybe you perform animals sacrifices still.

You believe Satan presenting himself before God was some poetry writing, and never happened. My kids believe that happened, but you yourself a scholar or a teacher of the sabbath believes not?

See how you consistently fail to address any points made to you that show you basically don't know what you're talking about?

I gave you the link and even copied and pasted a thorough study on the Coming of the Lord. You ignored it the first time. I mentioned that to you and you said you missed it (how you missed 2 whole pages of an ongoing discussion you were taking part in is curious) and would go back and read it. Then, nothing. Silent running. Weeks later another thread, another discussion, and you start up with this goofball "Well gee, how many second comings are there? Why you've got a third and maybe a fourth coming! Snark snark!"

If you had read what was offered to you, you would have seen AT THE VERY LEAST that your snarky objections were completely addressed and completely dismantled. You would AT LEAST have known there were answers to your objectiins. A REASONABLE person would AT LEAST have taken those responses under consideration. Whether you accept them or not you would at least have noted them and provided reasons why they were erroneous assuming you were unconvinced.

But instead you pretend nothing happened. That is classic behaviour of a person who is refuted and proven wrong, but cannot accept such a thing (because pride?) so they just IGNORE anything that actually demonstrates they are in error. Sad.

Then, while ignoring what was given to you, you habitually go off on red herrings and tangents that have NOTHING to do with anything being discussed. It's called "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain." Why? Because you can't support your doctrines with anything but distractions and ad hominems. Which means your doctrines you are promoting are nonsense.

My conscience? Dude get a grip. You constantly tell everyone you are spiritual, you see things spiritually, you believe in the spirit, blah blah blah. You always bring that up when people don't buy what you're selling. Ergo you think everyone who disagrees with you is NOT SPIRITUAL. If that isn't carnal/fleshly then nothing is.

This is why I pretty much ceased engaging you in serious discourse. You aren't serious. You can't defend your doctrines, you scoff at people who expect to see Scriptural backing for what you're peddling, you toot your "I'm more spiritual than y'all are" horn, AD NAUSEUM.

Normally you'd just be on the pay no mind list. But because you seem to put yourself out here as a preacher and teacher, then you are SUBJECT TO REVIEW.

[Esaias]

The Bible clearly references multiple comings of the Lord, clear back in the Old Testament. Verse 30 (of Matthew ch 24) simply says they shall see the son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven. This makes me think of Daniel 7:13:

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
(Daniel 7:13)

Here, we see the Son of Man "coming", we see the clouds of heaven, and yet He isn't coming to the earth, he is coming to the Ancient of Days. considering the language similarities between Dan 7:13 and Matthew 24:30, I'd say it's a good chance they are referring to the same thing. In which case Matthew 24:30 is not a "coming BACK" but a coming before the Ancient of Days.

And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
(Daniel 7:14)

So it looks like He was to come before the Ancient of Days to receive a kingdom. So perhaps Matthew 24:30 isn't talking about a coming "back", in apposition to His ascension, but rather it seems like it is talking about His coming into His kingdom.

[Esaias]

Therefore the term "coming of the Lord" is a reference to a TYPE of event and NOT to a specific occurrence of an event.

Some Biblical proof of the assertion:

The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see. Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles. I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness. The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle. They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land. Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt: And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames. Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land. Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children. And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
(Isaiah 13:1-19)

Here, God pronounces the downfall of Babylon at the hands of the Medes. The event is called "the day of the Lord", filled with His "wrath and indignation". The coming of the Medes with their armies is said to be the coming of the Lord Himself: "They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land." Cosmic disturbances are spoken of: the sun, moon, and stars being darkened and put out. The heavens would be shaken, the earth moved out of its place (as in a global earthquake).

This is language used in Scripture concerning the destruction of the Babylonian empire at the hand of the Medes, not the "second coming" or the end of the world. Also, it should be noted that this day of the Lord was said to be "at hand". Isaiah gave this prophecy approximately 250 years before Babylon fell to the Medes, yet it was "at hand" when the prophecy was spoken.

The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it. And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom. And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards. And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts.
(Isaiah 19:1-4)

Here is a prophecy against Egypt which was fulfilled when that country was torn apart by civil war, resulting in twelve kingdoms (known historically as the "Dodekarchy"). This took place in 695 BC. The Egyptians rose up against their Ethiopian overlords, overthrew them, and dissolved the kingdom into civil war between 12 smaller kingdoms that arose. Eventually, the war was resolved by the rise to power of Psammeticus in 670 BC, the ruler of Sais (one of the 12 kingdoms), who conquered the rest and forged them back into a single monarchy. His son, Pharoah Necho, soon established himself as the "cruel lord" with his plan to build a canal in the Suez region: "Necho (616-597), the son and successor of Psammetichus, renewed the project of Ramses-Miamun, to construct a Suez canal, and tore away 120,000 of the natives of the land from their homes, sending them to wear out their lives in forced labour of the most wearisome kind. A revolt on the part of the native troops, who had been sent against the rising Cyrene, and driven back into the desert, led to the overthrow of Hophra, the grandson of Necho (570), and put an end to the hateful government of the family of Psammetichus." - Keil and Delitzsch Commentary.

Yet, in this prophecy concerning Egypt which came to pass in the early 7th century BC, it is described as a coming of the Lord upon the clouds.

The word of the LORD that came to Micah the Morasthite in the days of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem. Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the Lord from his holy temple. For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth. And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place. For the transgression of Jacob is all this, and for the sins of the house of Israel. What is the transgression of Jacob? is it not Samaria? and what are the high places of Judah? are they not Jerusalem? Therefore I will make Samaria as an heap of the field, and as plantings of a vineyard: and I will pour down the stones thereof into the valley, and I will discover the foundations thereof.
(Micah 1:1-6)

Here, doom is prophesied against both Samaria and Jerusalem. Samaria was destroyed by Assyria in 722 BC (I believe, I might be off by a year or so), and Jerusalem later in the 600s by Babylon. Yet, the prophesied destruction of the two cities is described as the Lord "coming out of His place... coming down to earth... treading upon the mountains... which will be melted..."

In other words, the concept of the Lord "coming" is clearly used in the Old Testament as a descriptive term for God visiting , usually in judgment against nations and cities. The point being, there is clearly more than one "coming of the Lord".