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Did the coming of Jesus including the resurrection of the dead occur in 70ad? 0 0%
The coming of Jesus and the resurrection of the dead is still future. 6 100.00%
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Old 11-21-2018, 12:23 PM
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no, lol, he covers the history of all interpretations of The Revelation.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...dhugr95AJ3dMKA
Then I’m pan trib.

Because I cannot sit through dry as toast lectures. Especially about eschatology.
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But, thank you Sister Amanah for posting the information.
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Its called the eschatology section. Which we (I think you posted a handful of times but found you didn't hold much of an audience then left) have a plethora of information concerning the resurrection by myself,Elder Micheal Blume, and Brother Wiltcher.
It should be easy Dom. All I asked was for a straight forward presentation by someone who believes this doctrine. So you have no written teaching on it that you could post here?

I'm not going to watch a 10-12 hour teaching session about it either. But if you present an introduction that could be read in an hour, hour and a half we would have something to start with.

You make it sound like it would be longer than the entire New Testament to present one foundation doctrine.
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Old 11-21-2018, 01:32 PM
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Preterism and the resurrection.

WAS CHRIST PHYSICALLY RESURRECTED?

YES! Absolutely, without a doubt. Since Christ's resurrection was physical, won't ours be? NO! Christ's actual resurrection was His going to Hades and coming back out. When he was resurrected from Hades, He was raised into his original body, which was transformed into His heavenly form. This was done as a SIGN to the apostles that he had done what He had promised. The resurrection of Jesus' body verified for His disciples, the resurrection of His soul. David had prophesied:

Psalms 16:10 (NKJV) For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.

Peter preached that David looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of Christ:

Acts 2:31 (NKJV) "he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.

These verses speak of both spiritual death (the soul in hades) and physical death (decay of the flesh). Jesus was resurrected from both.

The reason there are differences in the way we are raised and the way in which Christ was raised is because of those Biblically defined differences between Christ's body and ours. Differences such as:

Christ is the only one who is both fully God and fully Man -- God incarnate. (John 1:1-18). Christ is the only one who was virgin born, and, therefore, born without original sin. (Rom. 3:21-26; 5:12-21; 7:4-11; etc.). Christ is the only one who ever lived a sinless life. (Heb. 4:15). Christ is the only one promised that his flesh would not suffer decay. (Acts 2:27,31).

His human body was not subject to original sin, nor corruptible (i.e. He was "impeccable"), nor did He ever commit sin and become corrupted. Because of this, He could keep His selfsame body, whereas, we cannot.

Unless Jesus' body had been resurrected, His disciples would have had no assurance that His soul had been to Hades and had been resurrected. The physical resurrection of Christ was essential to verify the spiritual, to which it was tied. While the physical resurrection of our bodies would have no point, since we will not continue living on this planet, breathing earth's oxygen, and eating earth's food after we die physically.

WHAT HAPPENS TO US AT DEATH?

Since the resurrection is past, what happens to believers when they die? Their physical body goes back to dust from which it came:

Ecclesiastes 3:20 (NKJV) All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust.

And their spirit is united to their spiritual body and goes to be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:35-38 (NKJV) But someone will say, "How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?" 36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. 37 And what you sow, YOU DO NOT SOW THAT BODY THAT SHALL BE, but mere grain; perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38 But GOD GIVES IT A BODY as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.

We get the same kind of body Christ has, but we do not get it the same way He got His, nor do we get our same physical body back like Christ did. We get a new spiritual body which arises out of the inner man. God gives us a spiritual body!

1 Corinthians 15:44-46 (NKJV) It is sown a natural body, it is RAISED A SPIRITUAL BODY. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

This affirms two different kinds of bodies. Our natural body dies, and we receive a spiritual body. Paul says, "IT IS RAISED A SPIRITUAL BODY."

Those of us who have trusted Christ in the New Covenant age, have life and do not need to be resurrected.

John 11:25-26 (NKJV) Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 "And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?"

Jesus is saying, "He who believes in me shall live (spiritually), even if he dies (physically), and everyone who lives (physically), and believes in Me, shall never die (spiritually)."

Two categories of believers are discussed: those who would die before the resurrection and those who would not. For those who died under the Old Covenant, He was the Resurrection, but for those who lived into the days of the New Covenant, He is the Life.

Under the New Covenant, there is no death, spiritually speaking:

1 Corinthians 15:54-57 (NKJV) So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory." 55 "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?" 56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 21:4 (NKJV) "And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; THERE SHALL BE NO MORE DEATH, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."

Where there is no death, there is no need of a resurrection. We have eternal life and can never die spiritually. Therefore, we don't need a resurrection. At death, we go immediately to heaven in our spiritual body.

The resurrection was a one time event in which the Old Testament saints were brought out of Hades and finally overcame death to be with the Lord. We have put on immortality and will put on our immortal body when we die physically. As believers, we live in the presence of God, and in physical death, we simply drop the flesh and dwell only in the spiritual realm.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Hyp...urrection.html
I will have a comment or two on this but for what I'm looking for mostly is a straightforward teaching that shows the coming of Christ, resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgement happened in 70ad.
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Old 11-21-2018, 02:11 PM
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Re: Did The Second Coming Happen In 70AD?

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I will have a comment or two on this but for what I'm looking for mostly is a straightforward teaching that shows the coming of Christ, resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgement happened in 70ad.
Brother Michael, I was just trying to provide some info, the video is about 40 minutes long and I thought it was a decent introduction. Also one of the things I personally was curious about was the resurrection, so I found the excerpt by David Curtis and posted it for informational purposes.

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Brother Michael, I was just trying to provide some info, the video is about 40 minutes long and I thought it was a decent introduction. Also one of the things I personally was curious about was the resurrection, so I found the exert by David Curtis and posted it for informational purposes.
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It should be easy Dom. All I asked was for a straight forward presentation by someone who believes this doctrine. So you have no written teaching on it that you could post here?

I'm not going to watch a 10-12 hour teaching session about it either. But if you present an introduction that could be read in an hour, hour and a half we would have something to start with.

You make it sound like it would be longer than the entire New Testament to present one foundation doctrine.
Mike, tell me again. Why won’t you allow me to ask my questions? Then, you will see how I believe this teaching. Like air in Thessalonians. That was a good start, but it isn’t part of your NPC faith. Therefore you bailed on the discussion. Or how about the fig tree? I asked a question, and since you had no clue, you bailed with...”it has no meaning!!!” What fun, what absolute light joy it is to be in a discussion with you. Jesus wouldnt waste His time with you in a discussion, because you are perfect, and say you see, when it is more than obvious you are blind. So, let’s have a discussion, how were the Judeans saved prior to the first advent of Christ. Listen, maybe you can light some incense and chant YAH YAH YAH.

But seriously, let’s talk, tell me about Israel, and we can both see why it all had to be wound up during the time of Christ. In the days of the feet? Potter’s clay, mingled with Roman Iron? Rock cut out strikes image, image collapsed and rock becomes the world conquerer. Go ahead Mike, let’s play. How were Israelis and Judeans saved prior to Acts 2:38?
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I will have a comment or two on this but for what I'm looking for mostly is a straightforward teaching that shows the coming of Christ, resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgement happened in 70ad.
Mike why do you want someone to believe the rapture of the church happened in 70 AD so badly?

My question is does anyone believe that? If so please state that position, because If you do could you please explain why.
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Another side note. Jesus said that not one jot or tittle would vanish from the Law until heaven and earth vanished. Why isn’t the temple sacrificial law still being practiced? James thought it important enough for Paul to be all things to all men that he may win some by going their with a vow.
This is it, in Christianity you get taught some OT stuff like feasts and how to make up Hebrew sounding names for God. But you are rarely ever taught the huge importance of the tent and temple. How important the priest craft were to the Israelites and Judeans.
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Mike why do you want someone to believe the rapture of the church happened in 70 AD so badly?

My question is does anyone believe that? If so please state that position, because If you do could you please explain why.
Maybe Mike believes it secretly?
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