Billy Graham

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Billy Graham was an apostate heretic even by modern evangelical standards.

Good grief.

Amen, hence the reason why it is difficult to convince yourself that God would decide to let a false prophet walk. Jesus tells His disciples to not hinder an individual who was casting out devils in Jesus name. The disciples stop the man because he wasn’t a follower of Christ. Jesus said that they were to leave the man alone. Because no one would be doing miricales in Jesus name and go and hinder what Jesus was doing. Yet, in the judgement Jesus tells these people to depart from Him due to their lawlessness. This clearly shows if we are not following the teachings of Christ we will be rejected at judgement. Therefore Billy Graham is a lost potato.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Paul also wished he was accursed to his brethren Israel in the flesh could be saved, but a wish is something he knew could not be fulfilled. It simply showed his concern.

[Hoovie]

Hello Friends!
Been a while since I posted here...

I gotta say, “I’m with Billy”. Not because he was Apostolic Pentecostal - he wasn’t, but in spite of it. He preached the blood of Jesus as the antidote for sin, repentance, calling on Jesus, water baptism and receiving the Holy Spirit.

Not in same exact way AP have experienced it - he would have acknowledged that I think, but our hope is ultimately not in doctrinal perfection.

I understand some will disagree, but I have no expectation of heaven being great Oneness Pentecostal conference. I fully expect to see a great variety of Christians in heaven. I think Billy Graham died in the Faith.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Hello Friends!
Been a while since I posted here...

Nice to see you post, I hope this won't be the last.

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I gotta say, “I’m with Billy”.

I'm so sorry hear that. Really, honestly I am and pray that logic will one day win out over ecclesiastical emotions. With true heart felt love, I will be praying for you and your family.

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Not in same exact way AP have experienced it - he would have acknowledged that I think, but our hope is ultimately not in doctrinal perfection.

But listen, consider this, in Luke 9:49-50, and Mark 9:38-39 Jesus is told by His disciples that they stopped a man who was casting out demons in Jesus' name. They did this because the man wasn't a follower. Jesus instructs His disciples to not hinder the individual because no one who works a miracle in Jesus' name would turn around and speak evil of Jesus' work. But while Jesus will allow so called Christians to pull rabbits out of their hats, and saw ladies in half, their end isn't as fantastic as we would hope. Yet, Jesus explains in Matthew 7:22-27, Many who were doing miracles, casting out demons, doing good deeds, will have Jesus tell them that He NEVER knew them. The reason Jesus gives is because they were creators of inquiry, which had nothing to do with carnal vices, but had all to do with religious foundations. Jesus explains to His followers that these "believers" didn't have the foundation stone which is Christ's teachings. In Matthew 7:26 Jesus is emphatic when He says they who have not His teachings is like those who build their house on sand. Great is the collapse is when we stand in front of Jesus and His throws us out on our head. While some truly sincerely believe that we are going to heaven to have an ecclesiastical hippy love in, sadly and terrifyingly may be the extreme opposite. Because in Luke 13:23 Jesus is asked if only a few would be saved? Jesus' response in Luke 13:24 “Make every effort to enter through the cracked open door. For many, I tell you, will try to enter and will fail." Jesus then goes on to speak about a closed door and those who cannot enter. Matthew 7:13-14 Jesus explains that the path is hard to navigate and the entrance almost closed, and those who will gain access are a small number. Sorry Hoove, but from Jesus' point of view there might not be as many denominations in heaven as you would hope to see.

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I understand some will disagree,

Please, no offense, but we would have to be blind idiots not to.

Originally Posted by Hoovie

but I have no expectation of heaven being great Oneness Pentecostal conference. I fully expect to see a great variety of Christians in heaven.

I also know people who fully expect to see Krishna and Vishnu. Also a friend who fully expects to be greeted by Moses, and Rebbe Mendel Schneerson. Through emotions we can fully expect that God will allow Satan to be pardoned from the lake of fire and give the Beast a second chance. But, that won't be happening.

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I think Billy Graham died in the Faith.

What faith? Something that is created out of the tops of our heads? Is man more righteous than God? Don't you all see that what is actually happening is that we are saying that if Billy doesn't get in then its God's fault? God wasn't really loving and merciful? That is what is actually happening here? Is it not?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I also know people who fully expect to see Krishna and Vishnu. Also a friend who fully expects to be greeted by Moses, and Rebbe Mendel Schneerson. Through emotions we can fully expect that God will allow Satan to be pardoned from the lake of fire and give the Beast a second chance. But, that won't be happening.

[Hoovie]

Hello Benni,
Thank you for your offer of prayers - I accept that, and for taking time to respond to my post - even though I don’t feel it necessary to respond further (I actually agree with much of what you wrote), I think I’ll let my original post stand as written.

I have one simple question if you would be so kind to answer...
Are you of the opinion based on your understanding of scripture, that in this church age, only OP (as you have experienced) are Saved? For the sake of clarity we should exclude the mentally incompetent and small children.

Can you answer this as a Yes or No answer?

My answer is No.

[votivesoul]

I think we sometimes forget how utterly harsh and violent Jesus could be. Not that He always was, or only was, but that He could be, at times, such as below:

Luke 19:27,

27. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.

This calls to mind the offering Elijah made of the false prophets of Baal. The God who sent His Son in John 3:16 was also the LORD God of Elijah who had no qualms with His prophet hacking those dudes to pieces.

And in the verse from Luke, Jesus reminds those who are listening that they, if they should reject His Lordship over them, are going to get the Elijah at Mt. Carmel treatment, at their Judgment.

Part of this then involves all of us, and everyone else, from every direction, of those who claim they are Christians. For one cannot easily say that they have NOT rejected Jesus from reigning over them IF they are accepting as saved those who are lost, or conversely, casting off as lost those who are saved.

Because if Jesus truly reigns over you, you won't contradict Him, or speak in His name when He hasn't commanded it.

I don't know much about what Billy Graham believed or personally experienced, and I don't care to know, because it doesn't matter any more. But I can speak to his legacy, and there's a whole host of unregenerate people claiming eternal life as their own because they merely repeated a prayer they were taught to say:

https://peacewithgod.net/

"Dear God, I know I’m a sinner, and I ask for your forgiveness. I believe Jesus Christ is Your Son. I believe that He died for my sin and that you raised Him to life. I want to trust Him as my Savior and follow Him as Lord, from this day forward. Guide my life and help me to do your will. I pray this in the name of Jesus. Amen."

Only the deceived believe saying the above grants a person eternal life. Therefore, I can only surmise that only the deceived would propagate the above as the means whereby one may obtain eternal life.

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by votivesoul

I think we sometimes forget how utterly harsh and violent Jesus could be. Not that He always was, or only was, but
that He could be, at times, such as below:
Luke 19:27,
27. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.
This calls to mind the offering Elijah made of the false prophets of Baal. The God who sent His Son in John 3:16 was also
the LORD God of Elijah who had no qualms with His prophet hacking those dudes to pieces.
And in the verse from Luke, Jesus reminds those who are listening that they, if they should reject His Lordship over them,
are going to get the Elijah at Mt. Carmel treatment, at their Judgment.

Part of this then involves all of us, and everyone else, from every direction, of those who claim they are Christians. For one
cannot easily say that they have NOT rejected Jesus from reigning over them IF they are accepting as saved those who are
lost, or conversely, casting off as lost those who are saved.
Because if Jesus truly reigns over you, you won't contradict Him, or speak in His name when He hasn't commanded it.
I don't know much about what Billy Graham believed or personally experienced, and I don't care to know, because it doesn't
matter any more. But I can speak to his legacy, and there's a whole host of unregenerate people claiming eternal life as their
own because they merely repeated a prayer they were taught to say:

https://peacewithgod.net/

Only the deceived believe saying the above grants a person eternal life. Therefore, I can only surmise that only the deceived
would propagate the above as the means whereby one may obtain eternal life.

Very well stated, Beloved

Brother Villa

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

My answer is No.

My answer is YES.

[robogreg_2000]

We should let God be God and not try to pass judgement on where Billy Graham went! God is his judge just like he will judge me and the entire world.Believe it or not,many people who are baptized in Jesus name will be in hell as sure as the demons will !