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Old 10-31-2016, 10:47 AM
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Re: What is the GOSPEL?

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Satan believes also but we both know there is more to it than belief.
No there is not else Cornelius would not have received the HG before baptism. It is the spirit of Christ that makes us one of his, "if you have not the spirit of Christ you are not one of his".

If Abraham was righteous before God by faith before circumcision, I am righteous before God by faith before baptism.
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No there is not
Then satan is saved.

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else Cornelius would not have received the HG before baptism. It is the spirit of Christ that makes us one of his, "if you have not the spirit of Christ you are not one of his".

If Abraham was righteous before God by faith before circumcision, I am righteous before God by faith before baptism.
I agree righteousness comes before baptism. But that does not mean baptism is not part of salvation. It 's a covenant issue. Signatures on the covenant are seals. Spirit seal and baptismal seal. God's and ours.
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Re: What is the GOSPEL?

Jesus set the precedent for all of us. Before his earthly ministry started, he was baptized first by John, and after coming up out of the water, the Holy Spirit lighted on him as a dove.

Mark 1:9-11
9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Baptism in water, and the spirit descending on Jesus was the precedent and pattern set by Jesus for us to follow. Faith is a given... we cannot even come to the Father unless He draws us ...

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

... and then we are obedient because our faith in Jesus leads us to repentance ... then we continue on in water baptism and spirit baptism... just as Jesus showed us by His example.
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Re: What is the GOSPEL?

awesome. now go see why you have to be baptized, and it doesn't matter if you get baptized or not. If this is not clear, pick a side! Pick my side, and i'll stand by your side!
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No there is not else Cornelius would not have received the HG before baptism. It is the spirit of Christ that makes us one of his, "if you have not the spirit of Christ you are not one of his".

If Abraham was righteous before God by faith before circumcision, I am righteous before God by faith before baptism.
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Old 11-01-2016, 08:04 AM
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The promise of the remission of sin through a better covenant!

And what, above all, is the key?

"...they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them..."

As Godsdrummer pointed out regarding the preaching of the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of God is righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit, and he or she who serves Christ in these things is accepted by Him (Romans 14:17-18).

Being forgiven by God and receiving remission of sin debt against the Creator through His Son is akin to walking through the gates of a new city. As one passes through the "Door" (See John 10:9), that is, as they obey the message preached by those of whom the Lord says their feet are beautiful, they pass from death to life (See John 5:24 and 1 John 3:14).

Consider this, a revelation if you will:

When the Jews left Egypt, they did so after the slaying of the Passover lamb.

The blood the smeared around their doors, that protected them from the Last Plague, was still present upon their doors, in the same place it was smeared.

After the Last Plague struck, and dawn came upon them, the Jews walked underneath the "blood" of the Passover Lamb and as they did so, they walked out a free people, no longer under bondage. The blood that had protected them from wrath the night before was also the sign they were free from their enslavement to Pharaoh the very next day.

In this way, spiritually of course, we see the blood of Christ our Passover Lamb (1 Corinthians 5:7 and 1 Peter 1:19) saving us from the wrath of God (Romans 5:9), even as it also delivers us from the bondage and slavery of sin (e.g. Ephesians 2:13, Hebrews 9:14, and 1 John 1:7).

Walking through that door, first for the Jews, and now, for us, into the sheepfold, is to walk under the blood and be made free, the true and fuller meaning of "remission".

So, to walk under the blood, to pass by the gates of New Jerusalem, by grace through faith, causes us to receive pardon and remission of sin debt against God. Then, in the Holy Spirit, we receive all the promises of God in Christ Jesus, all that is YES, and AMEN, and so, are made into citizens of the New Jerusalem, which is Kingdom of God.

So, yes, essentially, the message is the Kingdom of God, and forgiveness, or being released by having one's sin debt cancelled on account of the Cross, is the gateway through which one walks into and become a full-fledged child of God with all the rights and privileges associated.

And to do that is how the "least of them unto the greatest of them" shall come to experientially, intimately through relationship, know the Living God, the essential prophetic promise and Old Testament linchpin that holds the Gospel and all its elements together!
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Old 11-01-2016, 08:15 AM
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In a nutshell, the gospel is the good news that God sent his Son to reconcile sinful mankind to himself through his death, burial, and resurrection.

You can find what the "gospel" is by reading the 4 gospels, what "gospel" the disciples preached in the book of Acts, and Paul's explanation of "his gospel" in 1 Cor 15: 1-11
amen; yet the Gospel is not in there, the Gospel is the Word, and there's a counterfeit in There, that you can find when you hear. Understand why a little child does not need to read about the Gospel, which is in there, too, along with the Gospel, which is not in There. Because little children have not been leavened. They have not reached the age of accountability.
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How can we say that other than believe as did the nation of Israel every year did when this was carried out, that we must do one thing other than believe in the work Christ did for us on the cross for our salvation?
there isn't anything else to do; but wander.
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Did not Christ say, "whosoever believeth on him in the same manner as the nation believed on the serpent lifted in the wilderness shall be saved?"
no, but it sure sounds good, huh. sounds like there's nothing else to do, right. but what did He say, campers?
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Satan believes also but we both know there is more to it than belief.
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No there is not else Cornelius would not have received the HG before baptism. It is the spirit of Christ that makes us one of his, "if you have not the spirit of Christ you are not one of his".

If Abraham was righteous before God by faith before circumcision, I am righteous before God by faith before baptism.
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Spirit seal and baptismal seal. God's and ours
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Old 11-01-2016, 09:59 AM
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Jesus set the precedent for all of us. Before his earthly ministry started, he was baptized first by John, and after coming up out of the water, the Holy Spirit lighted on him as a dove.

Mark 1:9-11
9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Baptism in water, and the spirit descending on Jesus was the precedent and pattern set by Jesus for us to follow. Faith is a given... we cannot even come to the Father unless He draws us ...

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

... and then we are obedient because our faith in Jesus leads us to repentance ... then we continue on in water baptism and spirit baptism... just as Jesus showed us by His example.
It's so easy to see! His Spirit baptism and water baptism occurred BEFORE he ministered in any manner.

Jeff Arnold always had a good thought about this. Jesus was LED by the Spirit to be tempted of the devil. During temptation he denied the devil's offers and won out. Then he RETURNED IN POWER of the Spirit. From simply being LED by the Spirit to return in POWER of the Spirit all occurred when HE UTILIZED THE SPIRIT'S enablement, and resisted the devil.
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