What About The Children???

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

There isn't one.

Several of these things already existed or were already set pre-obama. CHiP was a Clinton law, the bailouts for banks and autos was set in place by W, as was the timeline for the exit in Iraq.

To claim that vets have better and faster care is ignoring the recent massive scandal in which vets have died waiting for care.

The ACA is a dumpster fire. If not being challenged in court, it's being criticized by even vulnerable Democrats now.

Not much to cheer about when you sift through to see what he's actually done, especially when compared to the scandals and problems he's created by ignoring the law. Like this border crisis created by him declaring in the Rose Garden that dreamers wouldn't be deported.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

Read again, I mentioned the "opening posts." Actually the whole conversation wasn't serious from you. You spent it complaining about a phrase I used, copying and pasting a fake list of obama's accomplishments, trying to compare abortion to the border crisis. This, after beginning the thread by mocking the serious crisis on our border caused by the obama admin.

You ignored the WH readout I posted, ignored the DHS letter posted about the gag order on journalists. Most questions went ignored while you rambled on about how conservative Christians must care less about the immigrant kids than fetus'.

We have 2 pages of serious dialogue.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

Several of these things already existed or were already set pre-obama. CHiP was a Clinton law, the bailouts for banks and autos was set in place by W, as was the timeline for the exit in Iraq.

To claim that vets have better and faster care is ignoring the recent massive scandal in which vets have died waiting for care.

The ACA is a dumpster fire. If not being challenged in court, it's being criticized by even vulnerable Democrats now.

Not much to cheer about when you sift through to see what he's actually done, especially when compared to the scandals and problems he's created by ignoring the law. Like this border crisis created by him declaring in the Rose Garden that dreamers wouldn't be deported.

The CHiP law was expanded under Obama.

President Obama did addititional bail-outs and stymulus packages, in the face of mounting criticism, and it turns out, it was the right thing to do at the time.

Specifically, the GM bail-out was all Obama, and the government made money off of that deal.

I didn't mention the cash-for-clunkers plan, that also helped PEOPLE.

Faster care, more efiicient care, and even the turn around times on claims for disability have all become better due to Obama and Shinseki working together to fix the issues. Yes, what has come to light is abominable, but a few years ago, things were even messier and slower.

The ACA is a good thing and has helped so many PEOPLE.

You can't realistically blame President Obama for adults in Central Americans willing to let their children die in an attempt to get to America-- but if you want to blame Obama for the world catching on fire, you can find a reason to do so.

[Jermyn Davidson]

He is also contributing to America having cleaner air and ultimately a cleaner environment.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

He is also contributing to America having cleaner air and ultimately a cleaner environment.

JD - untrue. He is driving coal out of business.
Sadly, most of the "green" energy that is being touted is more ecologically damaging than coal.
Solar - terrible damage to the environment in the manufacturing process.
Batteries - again such terrible damage to the environment that you cannot even make them in the US.
Wind - massively destructive on birds.
Nuclear - look at Japan.
Mercury light bulbs - ridiculous.

[Jermyn Davidson]

President Obama doesn't care about the children either!
He's deporting them!


http://theweek.com/article/index/264...ild-immigrants


Unless he's lying again.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

JD - untrue. He is driving coal out of business.
Sadly, most of the "green" energy that is being touted is more ecologically damaging than coal.
Solar - terrible damage to the environment in the manufacturing process.
Batteries - again such terrible damage to the environment that you cannot even make them in the US.
Wind - massively destructive on birds.
Nuclear - look at Japan.
Mercury light bulbs - ridiculous.

Coal going out of business is painful now but ultimately, best for the environment.

As for wind being massively destructive birds, well there will always be unintended consequences.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The CHiP law was expanded under Obama.

As it was under W. It doesn't take away from the fact it was Clinton's initiative to begin with.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

President Obama did addititional bail-outs and stymulus packages, in the face of mounting criticism, and it turns out, it was the right thing to do at the time.

Again, W put it in place. I didn't agree with it then, and there are economists out there who believe it didn't help the economy at all, but in fact, extended the recession.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Specifically, the GM bail-out was all Obama, and the government made money off of that deal.

You should check your sources. The auto bailout was W. obama refused to restructure the original deal.

Congress declined to act, but in December 2008 the Bush administration provided a "bridge loan" to General Motors with the requirement of a revised business plan.[23] It said it needed $4.6 billion in loans within weeks, from the $18 billion it had already requested, and an additional $12 billion in financial support in order to stave off bankruptcy.

On the March 30, 2009 deadline President Barack Obama declined to provide financial aid to General Motors, and requested that General Motors produce credible plans, saying that the company's proposals had avoided tough decisions, and that Chapter 11 bankruptcy appeared the most promising way to reduce its debts, by allowing the courts to compel bondholders and trade unions into settlements.[24] GM Chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner was also forced to resign.[25] GM bondholders rejected the government's first offer, but the unions agreed to the preferential terms.[26] A bondholder debt to equity counteroffer was ignored.[27]

GM wasn't "all obama." In fact, and you should sit down for this....I agree with obama's decision to refuse a further bailout of GM. I was against W's plan from the beginning. GM was paying waaayyyy too much to its executives and union workers. It put itself in a terrible position, and yet W forced the taxpayers to deal with GM's bad business practices.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I didn't mention the cash-for-clunkers plan, that also helped PEOPLE.

Dude, (and I don't mean that racially) did you follow cash-for-clunkers? It was a terrible program! Even the liberal Salon.com ran an article mocking it - "Let's recall Obama's "Cash for Clunkers" brain fart."

It had a negative affect on the poor! "Unfortunately for low-income people, the average price of a 3-year-old automobile has increased more than 10 percent since last summer. This is largely because the Car Allowance Rebate System, aka "Cash for Clunkers," which ended in late August 2009, cut the supply of used cars."

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If I'm trying to list obama accomplishments, cfc is one of the things I'd forget about.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Faster care, more efiicient care, and even the turn around times on claims for disability have all become better due to Obama and Shinseki working together to fix the issues. Yes, what has come to light is abominable, but a few years ago, things were even messier and slower.

"Faster care, more efficient care, and even the turn around times ...." Tell that to the families of the people who have died waiting for care here in PHX. It's not gotten better under obama, if anything, it's become worse.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The ACA is a good thing and has helped so many PEOPLE.

Never mind a major provision was ruled unconstitutional, and the whole bill may be deemed the same, seeing as the obama admin claims the penalty is a tax and the bill didn't originate in the US House as the Constitution requires for any bill regulating taxes.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

You can't realistically blame President Obama for adults in Central Americans willing to let their children die in an attempt to get to America-- but if you want to blame Obama for the world catching on fire, you can find a reason to do so.

Look, it's no secret that I don't agree with any of obama's left-wing, mostly socialist policies; and it's no secret I have no respect for him. However, even I understand the weight which the words of the leader of the free world carry. When the President of the USA schedules an announcement, stands in the Rose Garden and on national and cable tv declares that his administration will began to ignore immigration law and allow "dreamers" to stay in the country and become citizens...that carries weight.

Do you really believe it doesn't?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

President Obama doesn't care about the children either!
He's deporting them!


http://theweek.com/article/index/264...ild-immigrants


Unless he's lying again.

Bingo! Look, he's not going to Austin, TX to a fundraiser hosted by a pro-amnesty filmmaker for nothing. It's politics, all politicians do this. obama wants to force Congress to act, and what came out a few days ago about obama allowing everyone to stay put a wrench in his plan. Now he says he wants $2 billion to deal with this crisis. Do you know how much of that will be spent on deportation proceedings? $29 million.

Follow the money, it doesn't lie. When only $29 million of $2 billion will be spent on lawyers, courts and transporting fees...it shows he's not serious and doesn't really have plans to deport them.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Coal going out of business is painful now but ultimately, best for the environment.

As for wind being massively destructive birds, well there will always be unintended consequences.

The least ecologically damaging source of power is water.
For years environmentalists savaged this industry, because of the "poor" rivers and fish.
However, if we were "logical" we would utilize this as much as we could.