4 blood moons

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by berkeley

All those scriptures posted and not one telling of

"the Antichrist"

3rd temple

7 yr peace agreement

Originally Posted by Luke

You should probably get your eyes checked.
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[Praxeas]

Dan 9:25 So know and understand: From the going forth of the message to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until an anointed one, a prince arrives, there will be a period of seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. It will again be built, with plaza and moat, but in distressful times.

Dan 9:26 Now after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one will be cut off and have nothing. As for the city and the sanctuary, the people of the coming prince will destroy them. But his end will come speedily like a flood. Until the end of the war that has been decreed there will be destruction.

Dan 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. But in the middle of that week he will bring sacrifices and offerings to a halt. On the wing of abominations will come one who destroys, until the decreed end is poured out on the one who destroys."

[justlookin]

Originally Posted by Luke

Your right it does not say at the end of the 69th week but rather after. I interpreted it as at the because it clearly states that after Messiah is cut off there is still one week left. If The word after does not signify the end of the 69th week and before the beginning. Of the 70th how do you account for the extra week?

It clearly states that Messiah would be cut off AFTER the 69th week. It does not clearly state that AFTER Messiah is cut off there is still one week left.

If Messiah is cut off AFTER the 69th week, that means He was cut off in the 70th week, which means the 70th week, or at the least a portion of it, has occurred.

[justlookin]

Originally Posted by berkeley

If he was cut off AFTER 69 weeks that would have taken place in the 70th week.

Yes, that's right.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by justlookin

It clearly states that Messiah would be cut off AFTER the 69th week. It does not clearly state that AFTER Messiah is cut off there is still one week left.

If Messiah is cut off AFTER the 69th week, that means He was cut off in the 70th week, which means the 70th week, or at the least a portion of it, has occurred.

You are pulling one word from a passage and leaving out context. Context demands that there is yet a full week to take place sometime after the messiah is cut off.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Please answer me this question was the city of Jerusalem and the temple destroyed when Jesus died or even seven years later? If not the the 70th week cannot have started yet according to the context of this passage no matter how you interpret the word after.

[justlookin]

Originally Posted by Luke

You are pulling one word from a passage and leaving out context. Context demands that there is yet a full week to take place sometime after the messiah is cut off.

The one word is critical, essential, to the passage and I don't think I'm out of context with the usage of the word. The passage is plain, something will happen AFTER a certain time frame. That's important to the understanding of the scripture. AFTER the 69 weeks, meaning somewhere within the following, 70th week, something will occur. In this case, within context, the cutting off of the Messiah would occur. Not in the 69th week, but AFTER the 69th week.

Context does not demand a full week to take place after the cutting off of the Messiah, context demands for the Messiah to be cut off sometimes after the 69th week. In the 70th week.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Please answer me this question was the city of Jerusalem and the temple destroyed when Jesus died or even seven years later? If not the the 70th week cannot have started yet according to the context of this passage no matter how you interpret the word after.

The word after means after. Subsequent to. Following something.

Actually, the first thing we should determine is if the Messiah was cut off in the 70th week. My position is that the Messiah was cut off during the 70th week, per context of scripture. The city of Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed several decades after the cutting off of the Messiah. This has nothing to do with Messiah being cut off AFTER the 69th week though.

I'm interested in why you would not define the word after as subsequent to, following something.

[Praxeas]

Are you guys reading from the Abrahan Lincoln version?

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.
Dan 9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by justlookin

It clearly states that Messiah would be cut off AFTER the 69th week. It does not clearly state that AFTER Messiah is cut off there is still one week left.

If Messiah is cut off AFTER the 69th week, that means He was cut off in the 70th week, which means the 70th week, or at the least a portion of it, has occurred.

And if he didn't fulfill it all he failed.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by justlookin

The one word is critical, essential, to the passage and I don't think I'm out of context with the usage of the word. The passage is plain, something will happen AFTER a certain time frame. That's important to the understanding of the scripture. AFTER the 69 weeks, meaning somewhere within the following, 70th week, something will occur. In this case, within context, the cutting off of the Messiah would occur. Not in the 69th week, but AFTER the 69th week.

Context does not demand a full week to take place after the cutting off of the Messiah, context demands for the Messiah to be cut off sometimes after the 69th week. In the 70th week.



The word after means after. Subsequent to. Following something.

Actually, the first thing we should determine is if the Messiah was cut off in the 70th week. My position is that the Messiah was cut off during the 70th week, per context of scripture. The city of Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed several decades after the cutting off of the Messiah. This has nothing to do with Messiah being cut off AFTER the 69th week though.

I'm interested in why you would not define the word after as subsequent to, following something.

Was the temple and the city destroyed when Jesus was crucified? According to the the text these events must happen before a final week takes place. Do you believe in 71 weeks?

[justlookin]

Originally Posted by Luke

Was the temple and the city destroyed when Jesus was crucified? According to the the text these events must happen before a final week takes place. Do you believe in 71 weeks?

The question is, when was Jesus crucified according to the passage of Daniel 9:26, in the 69th week or the 70th week. To have Him crucified in the 69th week demands a redefinition of the word "after". It's a key word in the verse, with the entirety of the event hinging on one's definition of "after".

In your view, "after" means the event happened not subsequent to, or following, the 69th week but during the 69th week because of your redefinition of the word. We all have our personal views and I appreciate your willingness to discuss the passage. We simply disagree on the definition of the word "after" and I guess we should just leave it at that.