Apostle Junia--Female Apostle

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

If it is OK to ignore the holy kiss greeting, it is OK to ignore the silent women idea.

But if we have to do everything they did back then, keep the women silent. Greeters must kiss members and after church, wash their feet.

If one custom is obligatory, they all are. If one is not obligatory, then none are. If you do not practice foot washing or kiss at greeting time, yet order women to be silent and submissive, then you are a sexist and need to repent.

Oh, that's not sexist. This is being sexist...

Why can't we great with a kiss... and allow women to make a little noise? lol

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

If it is OK to ignore the holy kiss greeting, it is OK to ignore the silent women idea.

But if we have to do everything they did back then, keep the women silent. Greeters must kiss members and after church, wash their feet.

If one custom is obligatory, they all are. If one is not obligatory, then none are. If you do not practice foot washing or kiss at greeting time, yet order women to be silent and submissive, then you are a sexist and need to repent.

Scott, I wont be henpecked from a pulpit...stand up to the felines...LOL...Just kidding.

No really, I am suggesting that they dont teach or usurp authority over us...thats it.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If a woman is under the authority of a male elder... or the men of the church willingly desire to hear her teaching and what she has to offer... she's in perfect order. However, if male elders and males of the church view her as a loud mouthed busy body and have no interest in what she has to say and she strive to say it in the gathering... she's out of order.

But then again... so would a man if he would overstep these very same boundaries.

We cant just change stuff as we "feel". The Word of God is what it is. We must conform to the teachings of Paul.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by Aquila

That has been my finding as well.

Where do I find this?


Inquiring minds want to know.

"women did participate in the gospel ministry"

Participating and preaching are two different things. I participate in the ministry when I pass out tracts while my pastor is preaching in the streets.

I am not disagreeing that women can "participate" in the ministry, they just can't preach or teach men.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

If it is OK to ignore the holy kiss greeting, it is OK to ignore the silent women idea.

But if we have to do everything they did back then, keep the women silent. Greeters must kiss members and after church, wash their feet.

If one custom is obligatory, they all are. If one is not obligatory, then none are. If you do not practice foot washing or kiss at greeting time, yet order women to be silent and submissive, then you are a sexist and need to repent.

I believe in holy kissing.

I believe in feet washing.

And I believe women have to be silent (can't preach/teach to men).

I'm consistent according to Scott.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

If it is OK to ignore the holy kiss greeting, it is OK to ignore the silent women idea.

But if we have to do everything they did back then, keep the women silent. Greeters must kiss members and after church, wash their feet.

If one custom is obligatory, they all are. If one is not obligatory, then none are. If you do not practice foot washing or kiss at greeting time, yet order women to be silent and submissive, then you are a sexist and need to repent.

I agree Scott, they are sexist and need to repent. I am so tired of people that force one area because it fits their personal agenda yet ignore other areas. Throw it all out the window. Or better yet get a proper understanding of the cultures of that day and time and read scripture in light of how they understood things in that day, not our day and age.
The way I see it, these men still want to live in a world where the women are an lower part of society, and kept bare foot and pregnant. But we live in a world where women are equals the way I believe God intended it to be from the beginning, when he took Eve from Adams rib.
The women is to be submissive to her own husband period, not a so called pastor, nor the elders.
Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
See that, there are no heads or authority in the church, we are to submit one to another in the fear of God, the head is Christ, not pastors or elders. The only submission Paul speaks of here is wives to their own husbands. Oh I might add Children to their OWN parents.
There should never be any authority issues in the church, because no one has authority except Christ.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Sean

Scott, I wont be henpecked from a pulpit...stand up to the felines...LOL...Just kidding.

No really, I am suggesting that they dont teach or usurp authority over us...thats it.

That is pretty funny when from your own statements, you are already henpecked by your wife in your own home. But heaven help us, don't let a women with a right spirit teach in the assembly because that is perceived as having authority over you.

Sean you are still so deeply rooted in the Catholic tradition handed down by our fore fathers from the Catholic church that you can't see beyond the tip of your nose.
You would then have a real problem in many churches today, like the one we attend, where the pastors are husband and wife teams. Don't know if you remember Joe and Jean Parker that started the church in Federal Way in Washington state, but they became co-pastors as have many of those in the Global and Ministerial Net.
But then in your eyes we are all going to hell.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

That is pretty funny when from your own statements, you are already henpecked by your wife in your own home. But heaven help us, don't let a women with a right spirit teach in the assembly because that is perceived as having authority over you.

Sean you are still so deeply rooted in the Catholic tradition handed down by our fore fathers from the Catholic church that you can't see beyond the tip of your nose.
You would then have a real problem in many churches today, like the one we attend, where the pastors are husband and wife teams. Don't know if you remember Joe and Jean Parker that started the church in Federal Way in Washington state, but they became co-pastors as have many of those in the Global and Ministerial Net.
But then in your eyes we are all going to hell.

Not true, you have a chance to be saved if you just see it my way Loren...LOL



Cmon bro. I think you know that we are inwardly battling for the truth contrary to our old nature and using IRON TO SHARPEN IRON here. The Lord knows who has a legit argument and those that DEFY scripture. I can judge no man, only suggest following the Apostles teachings verbatim and walk in the Spirit to be saved. I must work out my own salvation here!

[Esphes45]

I don't see where the argument is.

Jesus never called/used a women to spread/teach the gospel in the bible.

Did they help in other ways. Sure!
Did they prophesy? Sure. Prophesying is not preaching.

We know these to be true according to the bible.

I think when you go beyond this, you are adding to the bible.
With that being said, there is nothing that I have read in the bible that contradicts I Tim. 2:11 - 14. Women in the pulpit now IMO, is a result of weak men. A bunch of Adams giving in to Eves.

I'm not against women. I think women have more important roles/worries in the church, then to be wanting to preach.

I heard an argument from a pastor a while ago as to why they think Jesus did not want women to preach/teach. Women could not possibly dedicate their life to the ministry because of childbearing and other womanly issues. I think that makes perfect sense.

[KeptByTheWord]

I think the most important thing to remember here is the difference between leadership, and ministering. Leadership is the making of decisions involving government. Ministering involves the gifts of the spirit being used to edify, encourage and build up the body of Christ. There is a huge difference in application.