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Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder
While there's nothing wrong expecting God's manifestation at a church service, why is the emphasis of "expecting god to move at church only?"
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I answered that in my previous post...here I will repost it...
I don't. Who said they did? Shouldn't we expect God to do great things when we are gathered together in His name and He is in our midst like he said? Isn't it that blessing we experience in a church meeting that empowers and encourages us to go out as individuals and live for God and expect God to work miracles through us?
The church began with a grand gathering and the outpouring occurred. The were emboldened and empowered to go and speak in His name...and yet later on the gathered again as a group and were "filled" again with the Spirit...again emboldened to go out and speak in His name
Please read Acts ch 2 through ch 4. Church is where we are edified..built up.
Read 1Cor, Ephesians, 1 Thess
Even Jesus with His disciples was and example of that. They spent a lot of time together with Jesus...then they went out and worked for the kingdom only to return again and be taught and edified more by Jesus.
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In all honesty, have you ever thought, "I wonder who God will do when I go to the grocery store or a restaurant."
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Yes but especially after a church service where we were edified by God and the preaching of the word (see above)
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The majority would respond no, and reason being nobody thinks about god's manifestation in any other location besides church. Sure, Jesus said he would be in the midst of two or three. I recall Paul preaching to the people of Athens regarding God's presence, "he is not far from any one of us." So two believers aren't required to have god present.
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Jesus emphasized it for some reason.
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We're also told we are able to lay hands on the sick and they're recover, so elders aren't always required. I"m not sure where we're heading with your comments about "two or three" and "elders."
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Of course and again let's review what I posted earlier about the Disciples gathering together FIRST and THEN going out and working "in the streets", then returning again to gather together and be refreshed.
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No. I know god will manifest himself.
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You don't look forward to a church meeting? Is that what you meant by "no"?
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Yes, we should expect great things, not only at church services but everywhere we go.
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But you just said no when I asked you about whether or not you anticipate the church meeting. I see anyone arguing with you that we should expect great things between services.
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The church began with a group of people who decided to become disciples. That is another good point to interject. A group of people were called "the church," which should not be confused with a building structure which we call church.
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Ah but I never said it was a building. I was specifically addressing the church gathering together
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Sure, Jesus spent much time with His disciples. What does that have to do with expecting God to move at a church service?
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I explained that very clearly in my post
Isn't it that blessing we experience in a church meeting that empowers and encourages us to go out as individuals and live for God and expect God to work miracles through us?
The church began with a grand gathering and the outpouring occurred. The were emboldened and empowered to go and speak in His name...and yet later on the gathered again as a group and were "filled" again with the Spirit...again emboldened to go out and speak in His name
Please read Acts ch 2 through ch 4. Church is where we are edified..built up.
Read 1Cor, Ephesians, 1 Thess
Even Jesus with His disciples was and example of that. They spent a lot of time together with Jesus...then they went out and worked for the kingdom only to return again and be taught and edified more by Jesus.
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Jesus and His diciplces gathered at various locations, and not to have church, but rather to teach his displces. They weren't having church!
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They are the church and they gathered together. That is "having church". That is what happens at "church"...teaching, preaching, edifying (See 1Cor)
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The disciples were taught and sent out, I agree with you. How many of us are following in the steps of the disciples?
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Like I said, if THAT was your issue that would be something we can discuss. But it isn't. Your issue is saints saying “I can’t wait to see what God will do at church tonight!”. In fact, you referred to them as brainwashed, pathetic and narrow-minded people.
Second, not everyone is an Apostle. The people that followed Jesus left their families and traveled with Jesus. They left their jobs, their families...you are right I don't see hardly anyone doing that...In fact I see anyone doing that.
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They taught in public. Do we?
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In some places yes. There are few places anymore you can do that without being arrested for trespassing. That is why personal evangelism and home biblestudies are the preferred method for many
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Miracles were performed through them in public. Are they performed through us in public?
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No but that has nothing to do with “I can’t wait to see what God will do at church tonight!” since we rarely see miracles of that magnitude in a church meeting. That's a whole other issue but I know lots of Pentecostals that believe and expect miracles to happen when we pray anywhere with people. And yet many of them would gladly say “I can’t wait to see what God will do at church tonight!”
So that is another issue about how to get Miracles to occur more often. And guess what? I believe whatever the answer is, you need to get that information TO your church. Yes so a good venue is to teach the church these things.
That goes along again with what I said about why we need church and why it's OK to come with anticipation. (see answer to your #1 question, reposted twice here)
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The disciples weren't of the mentality, I can't wait what God will do at the next service because they were already out on the streets, miracles, signs, and wonders being performed through them!
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But again they were on the streets doing that AFTER gathering together and being taught :-)
I somehow doubt they felt dread instead of expectation towards their next meeting with their teacher (Jesus).
In fact Im pretty sure the church looked forward to Paul arriving and teaching them...except the fornicators at Corinth, I sense they viewed the gathering of the church as a great thing!
2Jn 1:12 Having many things to write to you, I do not want to say with paper and ink. But I trust to come to you and speak face to face, so that our joy may be full.
Paul couldn't wait to return to be with the believers
Rom 15:31 that I may be delivered from those disbelieving in Judea, and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted by the saints;
Rom 15:32 so that I may come to you with joy by the will of God, and may be refreshed with you.
Rom 15:33 Now may the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
Now you say they weren't of that mentality, but I see nothing in scriptures that supports they did not look forward to gathering together as the church.
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