Poll: Is Gods Love Unconditional

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Few actually know the difference between righteous judgement and 'hate', too.

God's punishment of sinners is not 'hateful'. If a righteous man sins, his righteousness will be forgotten and he will die in his sins, if he fails to repent. God said so.

No hate involved. God didn't 'suddenly stop loving' the person. If you love your child, and your child murders your wife (his own mother) in cold blood, you would still 'love' your child, as you called the cops and even as you testified against him in court if need be.

Right?

using mans logic and messed up emotions to compare God and his justice and love can be rather troublesome.

What does God hate then? the actions? Are we not what our heart is? That would be like you coming around and hitting me in the face everyday with your fist and me saying. Well that Esaias is a great person... kind and loving but wow you better watch out for his fist and not trust it. People try to differentiate the two and the fact is you can't. We rely on past emotions and interaction to base how we feel about a person as a general rule toward them. When someone goes off the cliff and does really bad stuff. We think about past and tie in emotions in our judgment. Parents do it all the time. Even at the worst they won't do the right things. Sure as object in general God loves his creation but practically if you are in sin he hates/detests who and what you are.

Universalists try to push the "wouldn't you a a parent not do xyz" in bringing in emotion to th argument about how God should treat us in how we would treat our children. Again the problem is our judgment is wrong most of the time because we are not looking on the outside and just. We bring in emotion to out justice system and we fail.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You bring up an excellent point. Did the prodigal's father stop loving him? No.

However, I had a preacher tell me once that our ability to love a rebellious child only demonstrates how corrupt our idea of love really is. He said a rebellious child deserves instant death in God's eyes. I was dumbfounded. He obviously failed to understand the purpose of the law... and even more sad still... failed to grasp the reality of the cross.

smh

Did the Father go and find the son? No. Did the Father consider his son dead to him? Yes! Did the Father respond in love toward the turning of the son? Yes!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

using mans logic and messed up emotions to compare God and his justice and love can be rather troublesome.

What does God hate then? the actions? Are we not what our heart is? That would be like you coming around and hitting me in the face everyday with your fist and me saying. Well that Esaias is a great person... kind and loving but wow you better watch out for his fist and not trust it. People try to differentiate the two and the fact is you can't. We rely on past emotions and interaction to base how we feel about a person as a general rule toward them. When someone goes off the cliff and does really bad stuff. We think about past and tie in emotions in our judgment. Parents do it all the time. Even at the worst they won't do the right things. Sure as object in general God loves his creation but practically if you are in sin he hates/detests who and what you are.

Universalists try to push the "wouldn't you a a parent not do xyz" in bringing in emotion to th argument about how God should treat us in how we would treat our children. Again the problem is our judgment is wrong most of the time because we are not looking on the outside and just. We bring in emotion to out justice system and we fail.

Not sure if you are agreeing with me, or if you misunderstood what I was trying to say.

Cause surely that could be the only reason you would disagree with me - you misunderstood me.

[Antipas]

Yes, God's love is absolutely unconditional. It is religion that sets the various conditions that keep people from experiencing God's love.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Antipas

Yes, God's love is absolutely unconditional. It is religion that sets the various conditions that keep people from experiencing God's love.

Experiencing God's love? OK, I'll bite. How does one experience God's love? How do you know if you are experiencing it or not? Do good things happen to you? No bad things? Or is it a higher ratio of good things to bad things? How high?

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Experiencing God's love? OK, I'll bite. How does one experience God's love? How do you know if you are experiencing it or not? Do good things happen to you? No bad things? Or is it a higher ratio of good things to bad things? How high?

When you feel God's love, you'll know. It comes to the individual in various ways.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Yes or no?



1. Yes Gods love is unconditional.
2. No there are conditions upon his love.

Feel free to elaborate.

Yes, God's LOVE is unconditional.

Our salvation is not unconditional but His LOVE for His Creation is, in fact, unconditional.

I'd even go as far as to state that if God's LOVE is conditional, then our faith is no different than any of the other world religions that begin with the morality of man.

True Christianity does not begin with man and is not made complete by the morality of man.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Antipas

When you feel God's love, you'll know. It comes to the individual in various ways.

Oh. It's a feeling. OK.

[Esaias]

Does the bible SAY "God's love is unconditional"?

Does it say otherwise?

What exactly does 'unconditional' mean in the context of the question?

Are there conditions to benefiting from God's love?

Are there conditions to a person being loved by God?

What about this -

Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Or this?

Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Or this?

Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Or this?

Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

(That last one seems to indicate we are to keep ourselves, or remain, in the love of God. Is this a command to keep ourselves in God's love toward us? Or to keep ourselves in our love towards God?)

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Oh. It's a feeling. OK.

Yes, a very deep feeling that resonates from the core of your being. Once one feels it, they know. And as I said, it manifests in various ways. Be open. Let down your guard. Trust God.