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As usual, OP's tell others what they believe, just so that, they may refute what others don't believe!!! And condemn them to hell! Exactly the attitude and actions for which Jesus, rebuked the religious leaders of his day.

Trinitarians do not believe in three GOD's, they believe that God is much more complex than humans, in that "He" can have fellowship within the godhead. Fact is, God is not human, therefore our ability to define "him" is lacking at best. Which is great, "He" is incomparable, and "past finding out..." God is greater than all our definitions!!! "He" is beyond us...! Yet, has revealed his attitudes, his nature, and his LOVE thru, the man Jesus Christ!!! I fellowship with folks that were raised "trinitarian" and as they have pursued God, and relationship with Jesus, their hearts, attitudes and lives are definitively Christian!! So, I defend them from your vile attacks and marginalizations!!!! They have taken on the "name" in faith and in truth, not just thru some formulistic pronunciation of another!

Of course, just because they call that fellowship "persons of God" instead of "manifestations of God" they are not Christians, and further they are lost and going to burn in literal fire endlessly. SE, even equals this opinion equal to homosexually, therefore needlessly offending two people groups. And prides himself in speaking of God in these matters. Show me this attitude in Jesus, anywhere in the Gospels????

Of course, OP's, can have all kinds of varying opinions and doctrines, fuss and argue among themselves, and still be acceptable to God, or not.

Who really is lost? Not condemned to endless fire, just lost??
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Everyone ignored it because was a stupid post the first time and it's still a stupid post when you bumped it.

Do you even consider yourself ONENESS?
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Everyone ignored it because was a stupid post the first time and it's still a stupid post when you bumped it.

Do you even consider yourself ONENESS?
I don't wear labels, I am simply a follower of Jesus Christ. You might learn something if you weren't so convinced that you already know it all.
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I don't wear labels, I am simply a follower of Jesus Christ. You might learn something if you weren't so convinced that you already know it all.
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I don't wear labels, I am simply a follower of Jesus Christ. You might learn something if you weren't so convinced that you already know it all.
That right there is really funnnnny.

You are such a comedian.


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It's still a stupid post....................
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Talk about doublespeak.................

The doctrine of the Trinity — that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are each equally and eternally the one true God — is admittedly difficult to comprehend, and yet is the very foundation of Christian truth. Although skeptics may ridicule it as a mathematical impossibility, it is nevertheless a basic doctrine of Scripture as well as profoundly realistic in both universal experience and in the scientific understanding of the cosmos.

Both Old and New Testaments teach the Unity and the Trinity of the Godhead. The idea that there is only one God, who created all things, is repeatedly emphasized in such Scriptures as Isaiah 45:18:


“For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; …I am the Lord; and there is none else.”

A New Testament example is James 2:19:


“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well; the devils also believe, and tremble.”

The three persons of the Godhead are, at the same time, noted in such Scriptures as Isaiah 48:16:


“I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.”

The speaker in this verse is obviously God, and yet He says He has been sent both by The Lord God (that is, the Father) and by His Spirit (that is, the Holy Spirit).

The New Testament doctrine of the Trinity is evident in such a verse as John 15:26, where the Lord Jesus said:


“But when the Comforter is come whom I will send unto you from the Father, He shall testify of me.”

Then there is the baptismal formula:


“baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” (Matthew 28:19).

One name (God) — yet three names!

JESUS — That Jesus, as the only-begotten Son of God, actually claimed to be God, equal with the Father, is clear from numerous Scriptures. For example, He said:


“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8).

HOLY SPIRIT — Some cults falsely teach that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal divine influence of some kind, but the Bible teaches that He is a real person, just as are the Father and the Son. Jesus said:


“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will show you things to come” (John 16:13).

TRI-UNITY — The teaching of the Bible concerning the Trinity might be summarized thus. God is a Tri-unity, with each Person of the Godhead equally and fully and eternally God. Each is necessary, and each is distinct, and yet all are one. The three Persons appear in a logical, causal order. The Father is the unseen, omnipresent Source of all being, revealed in and by the Son, experienced in and by the Holy Spirit. The Son proceeds from the Father, and the Spirit from the Son. With reference to God's creation, the Father is the Thought behind it, the Son is the Word calling it forth, and the Spirit is the Deed making it a reality.



We “see” God and His great salvation in the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, then “experience” their reality by faith, through the indwelling presence of His Holy Spirit.

Though these relationships seem paradoxical, and to some completely impossible, they are profoundly realistic, and their truth is ingrained deep in man's nature. Thus, men have always sensed first the truth that God must be “out there,” everywhere present and the First Cause of all things, but they have corrupted this intuitive knowledge of the Father into pantheism and ultimately into naturalism.

Similarly, men have always felt the need to “see” God in terms of their own experience and understanding, but this knowledge that God must reveal Himself has been distorted into polytheism and idolatry. Men have thus continually erected “models” of God, sometimes in the form of graven images, sometimes even in the form of philosophical systems purporting to represent ultimate reality.

Finally, men have always known that they should be able to have communion with their Creator and to experience His presence “within.” But this deep intuition of the Holy Spirit has been corrupted into various forms of false mysticism and fanaticism, and even into spiritism and demonism. Thus, the truth of God's tri-unity is ingrained in man's very nature, but he has often distorted it and substituted a false god in its place.


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Talk about doublespeak.................

The doctrine of the Trinity — that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are each equally and eternally the one true God — is admittedly difficult to comprehend, and yet is the very foundation of Christian truth. Although skeptics may ridicule it as a mathematical impossibility, it is nevertheless a basic doctrine of Scripture as well as profoundly realistic in both universal experience and in the scientific understanding of the cosmos.

Both Old and New Testaments teach the Unity and the Trinity of the Godhead. The idea that there is only one God, who created all things, is repeatedly emphasized in such Scriptures as Isaiah 45:18:


“For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; …I am the Lord; and there is none else.”

A New Testament example is James 2:19:


“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well; the devils also believe, and tremble.”

The three persons of the Godhead are, at the same time, noted in such Scriptures as Isaiah 48:16:


“I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.”

The speaker in this verse is obviously God, and yet He says He has been sent both by The Lord God (that is, the Father) and by His Spirit (that is, the Holy Spirit).

The New Testament doctrine of the Trinity is evident in such a verse as John 15:26, where the Lord Jesus said:


“But when the Comforter is come whom I will send unto you from the Father, He shall testify of me.”

Then there is the baptismal formula:


“baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” (Matthew 28:19).

One name (God) — yet three names!

JESUS — That Jesus, as the only-begotten Son of God, actually claimed to be God, equal with the Father, is clear from numerous Scriptures. For example, He said:


“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8).

HOLY SPIRIT — Some cults falsely teach that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal divine influence of some kind, but the Bible teaches that He is a real person, just as are the Father and the Son. Jesus said:


“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will show you things to come” (John 16:13).

TRI-UNITY — The teaching of the Bible concerning the Trinity might be summarized thus. God is a Tri-unity, with each Person of the Godhead equally and fully and eternally God. Each is necessary, and each is distinct, and yet all are one. The three Persons appear in a logical, causal order. The Father is the unseen, omnipresent Source of all being, revealed in and by the Son, experienced in and by the Holy Spirit. The Son proceeds from the Father, and the Spirit from the Son. With reference to God's creation, the Father is the Thought behind it, the Son is the Word calling it forth, and the Spirit is the Deed making it a reality.



We “see” God and His great salvation in the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, then “experience” their reality by faith, through the indwelling presence of His Holy Spirit.

Though these relationships seem paradoxical, and to some completely impossible, they are profoundly realistic, and their truth is ingrained deep in man's nature. Thus, men have always sensed first the truth that God must be “out there,” everywhere present and the First Cause of all things, but they have corrupted this intuitive knowledge of the Father into pantheism and ultimately into naturalism.

Similarly, men have always felt the need to “see” God in terms of their own experience and understanding, but this knowledge that God must reveal Himself has been distorted into polytheism and idolatry. Men have thus continually erected “models” of God, sometimes in the form of graven images, sometimes even in the form of philosophical systems purporting to represent ultimate reality.

Finally, men have always known that they should be able to have communion with their Creator and to experience His presence “within.” But this deep intuition of the Holy Spirit has been corrupted into various forms of false mysticism and fanaticism, and even into spiritism and demonism. Thus, the truth of God's tri-unity is ingrained in man's very nature, but he has often distorted it and substituted a false god in its place.


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One of the few Trinitarian writers that makes sense is Alyster McGrath. Most of them get off into this "relationship within God" blah blah. Man. God is complete within himself and did not need some relationship within himself to keep from being lonely, or to express love. Everything God does, he does out of his ABUNDANCE, not his lack or need of something. I don't think this sends these people to hell. It's just a poor explanation of the one true God.
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One of the few Trinitarian writers that makes sense is Alyster McGrath. Most of them get off into this "relationship within God" blah blah. Man. God is complete within himself and did not need some relationship within himself to keep from being lonely, or to express love. Everything God does, he does out of his ABUNDANCE, not his lack or need of something. I don't think this sends these people to hell. It's just a poor explanation of the one true God.
When the trinitarian sees Jesus he sees him as GOD the Son, (not the Son of God) that pre-exsisted BEFORE Betheleman.

Jesus then becomes "another Jesus".

THAT is a serious doctrinal error.
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When the trinitarian sees Jesus he sees him as GOD the Son, (not the Son of God) that pre-exsisted BEFORE Betheleman.

Jesus then becomes "another Jesus".

THAT is a serious doctrinal error.
When a trinitarian sees Jesus, he sees Jesus just as the oneness pentecostals see Him, the Lamb of God who was the sacrifice for them.

And yes, He preexisted before Bethlehem.
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When a trinitarian sees Jesus, he sees Jesus just as the oneness pentecostals see Him, the Lamb of God who was the sacrifice for them.

And yes, He preexisted before Bethlehem.
In a bodily form?
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