The Development of the Trinity

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Jesus has a body and sits on the throne of God making intercession. He rules over heaven and earth. I'm not sure what that entails but it must keep him busy.

Where are the Father and Holy Spirit? Are they sitting on the throne as well?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Just a couple of questions:

Where is Jesus now, scripture says he is at the right hand of the Father? What does that mean to you guys?

Does he have a body? I am thinking about his resurrection and how he clearly had a glorified body and rose up into the clouds.

Also, scripture is clear that Christ is interceding on our behalf. What does this mean to you guys?

Jesus is in heaven

Right hand is an idiom for position of power.

Yes

He is the Mediator by means of sitting on the throne of God as our Great High Priest.

Heb 7:26 For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens.
Heb 7:27 He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself.


Heb 9:12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.
Heb 9:13 For if the sprinkling of defiled persons with the blood of goats and bulls and with the ashes of a heifer sanctifies for the purification of the flesh,
Heb 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
Heb 9:15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant

Heb 10:8 When he said above, "You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings" (these are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then he added, "Behold, I have come to do your will." He abolishes the first in order to establish the second.
Heb 10:10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
Heb 10:12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Where are the Father and Holy Spirit? Are they sitting on the throne as well?

Throne is not a literal chair in heaven God gets tired and sits down on

The bible says ALL of heaven is God's throne. Heaven is where God rules from. Throne refers then to where one rules from. Israel's throne was Jerusalem

The Father is not an tired old man that sits on a throne. The Father is Spirit. He rules from heaven. His Spirit in the form of the Holy Spirit is working on the earth in the believers

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Throne is not a literal chair in heaven God gets tired and sits down on

The bible says ALL of heaven is God's throne. Heaven is where God rules from. Throne refers then to where one rules from. Israel's throne was Jerusalem

The Father is not an tired old man that sits on a throne. The Father is Spirit. He rules from heaven. His Spirit in the form of the Holy Spirit is working on the earth in the believers

Interesting. Prax, do you make a distinction between the God the whole spirit and the Holy Spirit in his role on the earth?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Interesting. Prax, do you make a distinction between the God the whole spirit and the Holy Spirit in his role on the earth?

The distinction is functional

[DaveC519]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Hi Dave,

What do you think Jesus meant when he said, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad."? John 8:56

Hi Mizpeh,

Scripture is not forthcoming about what knowledge those in Abraham's bosom (including Abraham!) possessed. We of course know about the conversation Jesus held with Moses and Elijah on the Mt. of Transfiguration. And we know Jesus "preached unto the spirits in prison" (1Pet 3:19).

When exactly did Abraham rejoice to see Christ's "day", and which "day" was that? His birth? His baptism? It simply doesn't elaborate. Any guesses?

[DaveC519]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I was beginning to think I was the only one that had that view

No, sir. I think I came to that conclusion about five years ago.

[Praxeas]

BTW if Shekina is a circumlocution for the presence of God could Holy Spirit be sort of a circumlocution for the presence of God here on earth?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Just a couple of questions:

Where is Jesus now, scripture says he is at the right hand of the Father? What does that mean to you guys?

Does he have a body? I am thinking about his resurrection and how he clearly had a glorified body and rose up into the clouds.

Also, scripture is clear that Christ is interceding on our behalf. What does this mean to you guys?

It means Jesus is WITH His God and Father. He's sitting in His God and Father's throne with Him.

Yes, Jesus has a spiritual body.

Jesus interceeding means that He's the person who defends us, secures help for us, provides support for us.

[DaveC519]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW if Shekina is a circumlocution for the presence of God could Holy Spirit be sort of a circumlocution for the presence of God here on earth?

Could be. I imagine people in the OT may have viewed the term Spirit of God that way.

I found an interesting article from the Jewish Encyclopedia regarding the development of the Shekinah within Jewish Intermediary Theology:

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/ar...13537-shekinah