I am apostolic - Page 7

AreYouReady? · #61 12-10-2011, 01:20 PM

But, only God can give the Holy Ghost. Why, in His Wisdom, would He give Holy Ghost to people He thought was false??

Aquila · #62 12-10-2011, 01:24 PM

Let's be cautious. We don't want to blaspheme the Holy Ghost.

God gives the Holy Ghost to anyone who believes in Jesus and has the faith to ask. They DON'T need to understand everything in the beginning. But, if they surrender to the Holy Ghost, He will lead them into all truth.

And lest we forget, TRUTH isn't a proper formulation of doctrine, as a legalist might claim. Truth is a person...and His name is Jesus. The Spirit leads us into the fulness of Christ with regards to our identity and character...in spite of any lack of "theological understanding".

This is why some Trinitarians are more like Jesus than some Apostolics.

AreYouReady? · #63 12-10-2011, 01:42 PM

It's believing in Jesus that the Lord sees in the heart. For those true in heart, God will send someone their way to tell them. We have many Biblical examples. ACTS 8, 10, 19, etc.

Sometimes I think we worry too much about other people's spiritual condition while some of our spiritual condition rots.

We should let that be between them and God.

Arphaxad · #64 12-10-2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

But, only God can give the Holy Ghost. Why, in His Wisdom, would He give Holy Ghost to people He thought was false??

Why would He give the HG to people He knows will become backslidden?

Aquila · #65 12-10-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Arphaxad

Why would He give the HG to people He knows will become backslidden?

That He might be shown loving and gracious to all who call upon Him; even to those whom He knows will make themselves His enemies.

Remember, there are tares among the wheat. Though God freely gives the Holy Ghost to all who have faith and ask, even those He knows will betray Him...their falling away manifests who are the children of God and who never truly were.

Thus...even in this...God is glorified.

Sam · #66 12-10-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

...Remember, there are tares among the wheat. ...

Tares are among the wheat but they are not the wheat.
Do you believe wheat can become tares?

FlamingZword · #67 12-11-2011, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

The doctrine of the Trinity was formulated in an attempt to refute various errors (heresies). The doctrine of the Trinity refutes the notions:

-That Jesus was just a man (Ebionitism).
-That Jesus is a separate lesser being (Arianism).
-That Jesus is a temporary manifestation (Modalism).

The doctrine of the Trinity allows for a distinction between the persons of Father, Son, and Spirit...while affirming that they are the very same God from all eternity.

OK Here are the erroneous notions about God, I think you missed one

-That Jesus was just a man (Ebionitism). Wrong
-That Jesus is a separate lesser being (Arianism). Wrong
-That Jesus is a temporary manifestation (Modalism). Wrong
-That Jesus is a second person of the Godhead (Triniteniarism) Wrong

The reason that these doctrines are wrong,
Obviously Jesus was more than a man
Jesus said that he and the father were one
Jesus was not a temporary manifestation
Jesus is not a person of the trinity.

Aquila · #68 12-11-2011, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Tares are among the wheat but they are not the wheat.
Do you believe wheat can become tares?

No. In God's omniscience, He already knows who really are children of God and who are not. Their backsliding into being a reprobate only manifests this reality to us. Though they might have been dancing before an altar, God always knew what they would ultimately become. To God, they were always tares.

Aquila · #69 12-11-2011, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

OK Here are the erroneous notions about God, I think you missed one

-That Jesus was just a man (Ebionitism). Wrong
-That Jesus is a separate lesser being (Arianism). Wrong
-That Jesus is a temporary manifestation (Modalism). Wrong
-That Jesus is a second person of the Godhead (Triniteniarism) Wrong

The reason that these doctrines are wrong,
Obviously Jesus was more than a man
Jesus said that he and the father were one
Jesus was not a temporary manifestation
Jesus is not a person of the trinity.

Jesus stated that, "I (a first person pronoun) and (a conjunction linking two or more) my (first person pronoun) father (second person pronoun) are (present tense PLURAL of "be") one."

Linguistically two persons are in union here.

For example, if I said, "I and my father are in a boat." How many persons are in a boat? Two.

Christ is stressing His coinherent perichoresis with the Father. THEY are one.

One thing alone isn't "one" with anything, it's alone, single. However, two things can be "one" in a categorical sense and thereby establish a "oneness".

Note, Jesus didn't say, "I, the Father, am one."

Titus2woman · #70 12-11-2011, 06:31 AM

Wow... I hadn't heard that song in years... Kinda like Ray Stevens with the HG, LOL!